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When I was a kid "paper drives" were common way organizations like the Boy Scouts would make a few extra bucks by collecting newspapers they would then sell to the recycler. Nowadays it's mandated and I pay for this service. This is one example of many I could provide.
Hey I remember those paperdrives
we used to stick the papers in grocery sacks , bags what ever you call them these days
collect them and take them to the drive by box
distant memory
GREEN to me is about living a self sufficient lifestyle. I live in a home that generates more power than I consume and I use this power to charge my plug-in electric vehicle. (See the photos in my albums). I don't get caught up in oil related world affairs because, for the most part, I'm off the oil tit. This will be the way of the future. When are Americans going to wake up? Canada exports more oil to the US than any other country and most of it comes from the Alberta tar sands. The tar sands, talk about a joke! They burn an equivalent amount of natural gas to cook the sand into oil - as oil produced. So basically a trade off of N/G for crude and western Europe gets to choke on all the emissions created from the processing.
Going green under this economic/social system and current human "progress" paradigm (socialist or capitalist, it doesn't matter) is akin to sweeping floors & polishing door knobs on the sinking Titanic. It would be just a pointless "feel good" exercise if not for the dangerous illusions it creates. For all practical purposes "going green" and escapism are just about the same. It not only solves nothing, it prevents meaningful in depth discussion about sacred cows of "civilization". Notice, how this wonderful system of ours reduced just about everything (citizenship, politics, education, ideas, humanity itself .... and now environment) to the mere act of personal consumption. Every problem we face can be solved through the "guided" (by whom?) consumption, so we are told. With this kind of mindset stake holders have nothing to fear and we have nothing to hope for.
Going green under this economic/social system and current human "progress" paradigm (socialist or capitalist, it doesn't matter) is akin to sweeping floors & polishing door knobs on the sinking Titanic. It would be just a pointless "feel good" exercise if not for the dangerous illusions it creates. For all practical purposes "going green" and escapism are just about the same. It not only solves nothing, it prevents meaningful in depth discussion about sacred cows of "civilization". Notice, how this wonderful system of ours reduced just about everything (citizenship, politics, education, ideas, humanity itself .... and now environment) to the mere act of personal consumption. Every problem we face can be solved through the "guided" (by whom?) consumption, so we are told. With this kind of mindset stake holders have nothing to fear and we have nothing to hope for.
By your, my, and every living human on this planet's very definition, we are creatures of consumption. Every LIFE FORM on the planet consumes something to sustain life. So you may as well get over it, unless you want to eradicate all life on earth.
Now, if you're talking overconsumption and mindless consumerism, that's another matter. But you know, the only person that can effectively control your (or my) overconsumption is you (me). It starts with numero uno, not a bunch of regulation that will just be worked around anyway.
If you've ever worked with a person addicted to something, you know that the only person that is going to break that addiction is that person. You can declare all the rules you like, give all the breaks you like, give all the aid you like, give all the group therapy you like... but it isn't going to help unless that person is willing and desirous to make a change. And you can discuss it until the sun burns out; talk is cheap and rarely solves anything. Individual action and commitment is what brings about change. That's what the kumbaya, "let's discuss it" crowd fails to realize.
Mine turn on instantly too but about half the full brightness.
I'm sure it's possible to make them start very fast and it wouldn't surprise me if they could be made to work just as fast as standard bulb but that requires heat and more electricity which defeats the purpose in this scenario, yes?
maybe i wasn't specific enough....mine don't have to "warm up". they are bright as soon as i turn them on. maybe they get brighter, i don't really notice. they are plenty bright enough when i turn them on.
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