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Old 09-14-2013, 08:46 PM
 
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Over 30,000,000,000 GMO meals have been eaten over the past 4 decades, you think somebody would have gotten sick?

BTW for anyone who is interested in the truth:

“A seedless watermelon is a sterile hybrid which is created by crossing male pollen for a watermelon, containing 22 chromosomes per cell, with a female watermelon flower with 44 chromosomes per cell. When this seeded fruit matures, the small, white seed coats inside contain 33 chromosomes, rendering it sterile and incapable of producing seeds. This is similar to the mule, produced by crossing a horse with a donkey. This process does not involve genetic modification.”

THE TRUTH ABOUT SEEDLESS WATERMELON « What About Watermelon?

 
Old 09-14-2013, 08:47 PM
 
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From my understanding and I can be wrong but if someone produces fruits without seeds (watermellons for instance) the farmer will always have to buy from that same producer and will never be independent from them and eventually be at the mercy of whatever price that they charge in the future. If this could be done on a worldwide scale it could possibly corner the market on where we get our food from.

Personally I rather take my chances with all natural foods, at least that I know that there will be no genetic tomfoolery later on in my bloodline.
More people have gotten sick and died from "natural foods" than GMO foods...

But don't let reality get in the way of hysteria....
 
Old 09-15-2013, 12:31 AM
 
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From my understanding and I can be wrong but if someone produces fruits without seeds (watermellons for instance) the farmer will always have to buy from that same producer and will never be independent from them and eventually be at the mercy of whatever price that they charge in the future. If this could be done on a worldwide scale it could possibly corner the market on where we get our food from.
That was the same argument used against hybrid corn when it was first released by the University of Kansas in the 1930s. Seeds from hybrids don't breed true in the second generation. So what happened? Were the corn farmers enslaved? No, they simply realized that their yields were so much more productive using hybrid seeds than with the heirloom seeds they had previously been using that it simply made financial sense to keep buying new hybrid seeds year after year. And any of them could have gone back to the non-hybrid seeds anytime they wanted to.

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Personally I rather take my chances with all natural foods, at least that I know that there will be no genetic tomfoolery later on in my bloodline.
That shows a fundamental lack of understanding of what agriculture is all about, because you've possibly never eaten any truly "natural" fruits or vegetables or grains in your life, unless you've wildcrafted seaweed or mushrooms or cactus fruits or the like. Virtually every food item grown on farms and in gardens that is sold in our markets today has been tinkered with and modified and selected and bred by humans at some point or another over the last 10,000 years. In many cases, you would not even recognize the original organism that modern foods were derived from.

And now transgenic technology simply provides a new tool for bringing out desirable characteristics, in addition to all the traditional ones previously used.

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Old 09-15-2013, 05:33 PM
 
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More people have gotten sick and died from "natural foods" than GMO foods...

But don't let reality get in the way of hysteria....
How is that? Are they foods that were prepared wrong or things that should not have been eaten in the first place?
 
Old 09-15-2013, 05:40 PM
 
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That was the same argument used against hybrid corn when it was first released by the University of Kansas in the 1930s. Seeds from hybrids don't breed true in the second generation. So what happened? Were the corn farmers enslaved? No, they simply realized that their yields were so much more productive using hybrid seeds than with the heirloom seeds they had previously been using that it simply made financial sense to keep buying new hybrid seeds year after year. And any of them could have gone back to the non-hybrid seeds anytime they wanted to.

So if all fruits and vegetables are done this way you can't see the long term probelm with this? If this is continued at this pace you will not have a choice to go back to. I just have a problem with all of my food coming from the same source.....a lab (company) by the same people that manipulates our politicians into sneaking provisions on riders of other bills with no accountability. If there is no harm in it why do they need to do it in the first place?

[SIZE=4]NaturalNews - New farm bill gives Monsanto carte blanche - …[/SIZE]

Please explain to us all why is this trickery even necessary?



That shows a fundamental lack of understanding of what agriculture is all about, because you've possibly never eaten any truly "natural" fruits or vegetables or grains in your life, unless you've wildcrafted seaweed or mushrooms or cactus fruits or the like. Virtually every food item grown on farms and in gardens that is sold in our markets today has been tinkered with and modified and selected and bred by humans at some point or another over the last 10,000 years. In many cases, you would not even recognize the original organism that modern foods were derived from.

And now transgenic technology simply provides a new tool for bringing out desirable characteristics, in addition to all the traditional ones previously used.

Maybe that is the reason why cancer and other diseases are more prevalent now than ever before.
 
Old 09-15-2013, 05:54 PM
 
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Maybe that is the reason why cancer and other diseases are more prevalent now than ever before.
That's largely a misconception too. 200 years ago living to age 40 was a big deal. Parents had lots of kids because so many of them died. People died from diseases that can be cured today with a shot. And our lifespan keeps getting older and older.

So while certain hazards of contemporary life are new... nobody died in airplane crashes in 1850... there are also many hazards we have reduced to a minimum, such as being kicked to death by a horse, a perennial favorite until well into the 1900s.

And now people live and develop illnesses that they simply would not have lived long enough to develop in earlier times.
 
Old 09-15-2013, 06:02 PM
 
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That's largely a misconception too. 200 years ago living to age 40 was a big deal. Parents had lots of kids because so many of them died. People died from diseases that can be cured today with a shot. And our lifespan keeps getting older and older.

So while certain hazards of contemporary life are new... nobody died in airplane crashes in 1850... there are also many hazards we have reduced to a minimum, such as being kicked to death by a horse, a perennial favorite until well into the 1900s.

And now people live and develop illnesses that they simply would not have lived long enough to develop in earlier times.

Really? so you are saying that we are predisposed to get cancer later in life anyway because we live longer? People lived shorter lives before because there was alot more physical work and not the great advances in healthcare. The advances in healthcare are mainly in big pharma and they have no real intentions on curing anything as Chris Rock had unfortunately joked about. Can you explain why ADD and other three and four letter diagnosis that did not exist 60 years ago are so prevalent now? Is this something else that we would have eventually have gotten if we lived long enough. oh thats right KIDS tend to be diagnosised with this. I guess diabetes is another thing that we would eventually have gotten as well, since that is also on the rise.

This still does not explain why they tried to sneak it into the farm bill in the first place if they were on the up and up
 
Old 09-16-2013, 05:15 AM
 
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Maybe that is the reason why cancer and other diseases are more prevalent now than ever before.
Yes I believe it is AND ITS VERY SCARY!!!!!!!

Trying to avoid these toxins IS NOT EASY!!!!
 
Old 09-16-2013, 10:09 AM
 
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Yes I believe it is AND ITS VERY SCARY!!!!!!!

Trying to avoid these toxins IS NOT EASY!!!!
what toxins?

what exactly is so terrifying?
 
Old 09-16-2013, 10:14 AM
 
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what toxins?

what exactly is so terrifying?

Eating a bowl of ROUND UP and now consuming 2-4D herbicide is really frightening.
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