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Old 11-20-2008, 04:51 PM
 
Location: Moving
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This past Monday I was at Lawrence Livermore Laboratory on business and then we had a meeting in Modesto later on in the day. During each ride over Altamont Pass, which is the Worlds Biggest Wind Farm by the way, not one of the Wind Mills were operational! In other words none of them propellers were flapping! I asked my associate why they were not working and he gave me a funny look and rolled his eyes! He said it costs way to much for them to be maintained and run so for now they are not being utilized! :c rying::cry ing: There are also several pending law suits and a possible injunction pending as well.

Here is a clear example on how expensive, useless and environmentally dangerous these windfarms are. So next time you hear a commercial from T Boone Pickens or some other charlatan trying to sell our country a windfard just change the channel!
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Old 11-26-2008, 07:24 PM
 
Location: Charleston, WV
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Even the transport and manufacturing process of wind turbines creates CO2.
I haven't researched this much, but I would assume that the turbine blades themselves only last a certain period of time before they are a) taken down, b) re-tooled, c) recycled? However, it is much less CO2 being emitted compared with mountaintop removal, transporting coal, and burning coal at the power plant.
Good to bump into you here GraniteStar.

Don't forget the Marcellus Shale -- super giant gas field. It has about 500 trillion cubic feet of natural gas and big enough where it could supply all the gas needs of the US for 2 years. Runs about from NY to WV.
Marcellus Shale Gas: New Research Results Surprise Geologists!

Of course, I am all for using coal. Live in West Virginia.

Coalman, What state do you live in?
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Old 11-26-2008, 07:44 PM
 
Location: Charleston, WV
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Could you please explain the inherent difference between coal and refined coal? I would suspect that the "refined" coal has been processed in some fashion.
Wiki says Refined coal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Refined coal is the product of a coal upgrading technology that removes moisture and certain pollutants from lower-rank coals such as sub-bituminous and lignite (brown) coals.[1] It is one form of several pre-combustion treatments and processes for coal that alter coal's characteristics before it is burned. The goals of pre-combustion coal technologies are to increase efficiency and reduce emissions when the coal is burned. Depending on the situation, pre-combustion technology can be used in place of or as a supplement to post-combustion technologies to control emissions from coal-fueled boilers
I'm not a coal expert but I remember that just a few years ago the coal companies, etc. in the northern part of West Virginia were hurting big time because they had "bad" coal. Didn't affect the mines in southern WV cuz they had good coal. Seem to remember the north was high-sulfur coal, but don't quote me on that. Guess technology helped address the problem cuz I don't hear of that problem with the northern coalfields now.
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Old 11-26-2008, 07:48 PM
 
Location: Charleston, WV
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Found this quite interesting - new one on me:

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a Dutch [coal] mine ..... has been revived as a source of greener energy -- heating household radiators using warm water flooding its abandoned shafts. ...........
It emits 55 percent less polluting carbon dioxide than other water heating systems.
West Virginia Coal Association - Dutch Homes get Warm Water from Disused Coal Mine (http://www.wvcoal.com/content/view/513/61/ - broken link)
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Old 11-26-2008, 07:50 PM
 
Location: southern california
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yes yes yes stop trying to do alternative fuel
just use gas lots and lots and lots of gas.
i like big fat americans driving big fat cars
yes yes yes
signed OPEC the pig
ps thanks for the cash i need to buy some new missiles.
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Old 11-26-2008, 07:52 PM
 
Location: mid atlantic
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yes yes yes stop trying to do alternative fuel
just use gas lots and lots and lots of gas.
i like big fat americans driving big fat cars
yes yes yes
signed OPEC the pig
ps thanks for the cash i need to buy some new missiles.
Nice rant
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Old 11-26-2008, 08:11 PM
 
Location: Denver
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Nuclear....lots more Nuclear.
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Old 11-27-2008, 08:48 AM
 
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Coalman, What state do you live in?
I'm in Northeastern Pennsylvania the heart of the anthracite region, it's only used for home heating purposes and water filtration among other things. Too expensive to use in a power plant.

Because of the lower impurities it's much better compared to something like heating with electric. I get a good laugh when someone suggests I'm doing bad things only to find out they heat with electric. LOL... then I get to set the facts straight. Electric is probably the worst way to heat your home environmentally speaking. Half is produced from burning coal and due to inefficiencies in the delivery system you're electric will require more coal to be burned than what I burn because I'm using a highly efficient system.

I have a very long post here if you're interested:

https://www.city-data.com/forum/house...ers-guide.html
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Old 11-27-2008, 08:49 AM
 
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Nuclear....lots more Nuclear.
Ahhh but that will create nuclear waste that can be stored in a very small space and we can't have that.
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Old 11-27-2008, 09:46 AM
 
Location: state of enlightenment
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The corporate wh@res leave out little details like the fact that that 25% of women in this country have mercury levels high enough to GUARANTEE a developmentally disabled child. But to these environmental terrorists that not enough. We need more babies with Downs Syndrome. Coal is the greatest source of mercury in the environment. Oil shale requires enormous quantities of water to process and the energy required to energy produced ratio hardly makes it worth pursuing. All the offshore oil would amount to, at most 2 years supply. The rosy picture these energy Pollyannas paint is highly distorted.
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