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Emily-I do appreciate your bringing up Agenda 21-the SC fighting spirit is a huge reason why I am moving my family to the Greenville area this summer. I am on the same page as you and want to move to an area where others will stand with me. Is Spartanburg County better on that front? BTW, posts by the regulars on this forum have been so encouraging to me and I am so grateful! :-)
Emily-I do appreciate your bringing up Agenda 21-the SC fighting spirit is a huge reason why I am moving my family to the Greenville area this summer. I am on the same page as you and want to move to an area where others will stand with me. Is Spartanburg County better on that front? BTW, posts by the regulars on this forum have been so encouraging to me and I am so grateful! :-)
Yes SC_us_for_me, it seems to be. At least Spartanburg County has one councilman with a spine, Roger Nutt, who listens to his constituents and cares about doing the right thing. However the state is pretty corrupt. Up until recently the State Legislature has somehow gotten away with voting on bills without making the records as to how each legislator voted available to the public. So the public had no way of confirming how their state rep was voting on issues. The Freedom of Information Act didn't apply in SC when it came to this. That is finally changing but as you can imagine, there is lots of pressure from good ole boys to change it back.
You can go to the Greenville County website (greenvillecounty.org) and see all the warm fuzzy sustainability plans for the future. What they don't tell you is that the taxpayer will end up paying for it in more ways than you can imagine. They also link to all the NGOs (the non-profit government organizations) who will also benefit as well as the businesses. Of course since taxpayers are paying for it, they can pay everyone 5 times as much as the job is really worth.
If you move here, I'd DEFINITELY not rely on getting your news from only South Carolina papers. Perhaps to keep South Carolinians ignorant about what is going on in the country and the world, they leave a LOT of important news out of the papers. For example, None of the papers on New Years day or even a few weeks after mentioned anything about Obama signing the National Defense Authorization Act on New Year's Eve. This may have been because Senator Lindsey Graham was one of the authors of it and this version includes a provision to authorize imprisonment of American citizens without being charged of anything!
There is a clip of a meeting with Lindsey Graham in Greenville "Grahambushed" where Greenvillians in the audience were not so receptive to his neo-con ideas and booed him. So not everyone in Greenville is asleep which is encouraging.
Here's what is happening already in another SC county as a result of Agenda 21 and as you can see and hear, the property owners are NOT PLEASED about it.
In all seriousness, what do you think the motive is for stripping our liberties, taking our homes, and turning the nation into a Stalinist, communist nation of internationally controlled lemmings? (It's so scary when you include those words.) Is someone being paid off to destroy your way of life? Or is it negligence and ignorance of city government, as suggested by the speaker? What's in it for the local government, other to create a cleaner community with less needless suburban sprawl with more foot traffic and extra transportation options? Is there a World Government representative sitting at City Hall that I don't know about?
More importantly, what are the real alternatives to reversing the decay of our urban centers and slowing the growth of urban sprawl (the sacred strip malls and cul de sacs)? We have plenty of homes for sale now, plenty of empty store fronts. Why does the Tea Party representative in the Pickens County video say the words like "sustainability", "bicycle paths", and "communal parks" with such obvious contempt and sarcasm? I have no problem with the creation of more parks, "communal" facilities (like socialist libraries, oh my!), and mixed use developments.
I realize that many opponents do want to see positive steps towards protecting the environment. BUT it's like hearing someone rail against "lazy" welfare recipients, or "thieving" immigrants, then in the same breath, say "I want to help those people in need, just not because the government wants me to." I feel like those views are contradictory.
Nothing is 100% cut and dry, good or bad, and I think there are good elements and bad elements of a 20 year old plan, such as Agenda 21. I read the document with an open mind, and it's not that crazy.
In all seriousness, what do you think the motive is for stripping our liberties, taking our homes, and turning the nation into a Stalinist, communist nation of internationally controlled lemmings? (It's so scary when you include those words.) Is someone being paid off to destroy your way of life? Or is it negligence and ignorance of city government, as suggested by the speaker? What's in it for the local government, other to create a cleaner community with less needless suburban sprawl with more foot traffic and extra transportation options? Is there a World Government representative sitting at City Hall that I don't know about?
More importantly, what are the real alternatives to reversing the decay of our urban centers and slowing the growth of urban sprawl (the sacred strip malls and cul de sacs)? We have plenty of homes for sale now, plenty of empty store fronts. Why does the Tea Party representative in the Pickens County video say the words like "sustainability", "bicycle paths", and "communal parks" with such obvious contempt and sarcasm? I have no problem with the creation of more parks, "communal" facilities (like socialist libraries, oh my!), and mixed use developments.
I realize that many opponents do want to see positive steps towards protecting the environment. BUT it's like hearing someone rail against "lazy" welfare recipients, or "thieving" immigrants, then in the same breath, say "I want to help those people in need, just not because the government wants me to." I feel like those views are contradictory.
Nothing is 100% cut and dry, good or bad, and I think there are good elements and bad elements of a 20 year old plan, such as Agenda 21. I read the document with an open mind, and it's not that crazy.
In all seriousness, what do you think the motive is for stripping our liberties, taking our homes, and turning the nation into a Stalinist, communist nation of internationally controlled lemmings? (It's so scary when you include those words.) Is someone being paid off to destroy your way of life? Or is it negligence and ignorance of city government, as suggested by the speaker? What's in it for the local government, other to create a cleaner community with less needless suburban sprawl with more foot traffic and extra transportation options? Is there a World Government representative sitting at City Hall that I don't know about?
More importantly, what are the real alternatives to reversing the decay of our urban centers and slowing the growth of urban sprawl (the sacred strip malls and cul de sacs)? We have plenty of homes for sale now, plenty of empty store fronts. Why does the Tea Party representative in the Pickens County video say the words like "sustainability", "bicycle paths", and "communal parks" with such obvious contempt and sarcasm? I have no problem with the creation of more parks, "communal" facilities (like socialist libraries, oh my!), and mixed use developments.
I realize that many opponents do want to see positive steps towards protecting the environment. BUT it's like hearing someone rail against "lazy" welfare recipients, or "thieving" immigrants, then in the same breath, say "I want to help those people in need, just not because the government wants me to." I feel like those views are contradictory.
Nothing is 100% cut and dry, good or bad, and I think there are good elements and bad elements of a 20 year old plan, such as Agenda 21. I read the document with an open mind, and it's not that crazy.
There is nothing wrong with bicycle paths or sidewalks etc. It is just when it comes with Federal Grants with strings attached and funding mechanisms that put the cost on the backs of the taxpayers that they don't even have a CLUE they are going to be responsible for because they aren't included in the decision making process that those against U.N. masterminded Agenda 21 sustainable development, have problems with. It is all spelled out in the various smart growth comprehensive plans -- or at least alluded to. But who reads those except for geeks like me? Nobody evidently (in Greenville anyway) does...or maybe a few members of the taxpayers association do besides me.
Think about it everyone. First of all if they REALLY wanted to clean up the environment and cared so much about us, don't you think they'd have STOPPED poisening our drinking water decades ago? Don't you think they'd have STOPPED the chemtrail spraying decades ago also. On the one hand they are polluting our water and our air.....not to mention what they are doing to our food and they CONTINUE to do all these things. Then on the OTHER hand thru the back door they are thinking we are so stupid they can have us believing their "sustainable development" programs will "save the environment" when all it is is a big power grab; land grab and cherry picking of corporations who will benefit ie utility companies and building contractors selected to redesign our county and decide whose property might retain its value and whose will be worth nothing 10 or 20 years from now.
The "smart growth" planning if it is to occur should be the result of the free market. The private sector should pay for it NOT the government. There should be NO government subsidizing big corporations like what is going on now. Additionally if they want to "save the environment" a NO BRAINER would be to STOP the poisoning of our water, air and food that shouldn't cost US a cent! It is long since time we ENDED THE HYPOCRICY that we've allowed to go on for too long.
One of the biggest advocates of getting rid of Agenda 21 and spokesperson against it is a self admitted tree-hugger who also happens to be an expert eminent domain real estate appraiser and saw with her own eyes how her clients weren't being allowed to use their own land and how it affected their property values.
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