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And center mass will usually result in death of the subject
True, but its how its percieved in court that matters.
If you tell a jury you shot him in the chest trying for his vitals to kill him they're going to look at it like you were trying to kill him.
If you say you shot center of mass to stop the threat because its how you were trained they may look at it differently.
I think its a matter of leaving yourself deniability.
Either way the guy is dead, but one way you tried to kill him & suceeded & the other you tried to stop him & suceeded, but died as a consequence.
I'm not sure of the perticulars in your case but I'm sure you know that in most cases things can become convoluted after the fact.
True, but its how its percieved in court that matters.
If you tell a jury you shot him in the chest trying for his vitals to kill him they're going to look at it like you were trying to kill him.
If you say you shot center of mass to stop the threat because its how you were trained they may look at it differently.
I think its a matter of leaving yourself deniability.
Either way the guy is dead, but one way you tried to kill him & suceeded & the other you tried to stop him & suceeded, but died as a consequence.
I'm not sure of the perticulars in your case but I'm sure you know that in most cases things can become convoluted after the fact.
Things can become VERY convuluted after he fact and if you must defend yourself in court after a defensive shooting be prpared for the worst. A lot depends on the court having jurisdiction (CA SUCKS for sure as would NYC or MA). We are fortunate here in that the law favors self defense. Shooting a Goblin will not usually end up with the victim being prosecuted, and taking apart the mechanics of the shooting is rare. Not every place is so well off.
Kind of makes you wonder if its even worth it. Catch 22- Perp kills you or you kill or wound the perp and the establishment hangs you.
Not at all. If I kill or stop the bad guy my loved ones live. If I do nothing fearing prosecution we all die. Only in the ridiculously liberal states would you be prosecuted if the shooting was self defense. I choose not to live in those states.
Not at all. If I kill or stop the bad guy my loved ones live. If I do nothing fearing prosecution we all die. Only in the ridiculously liberal states would you be prosecuted if the shooting was self defense. I choose not to live in those states.
Good point, but some of us have good reasons to live in a ridiculously liberal state.
I think you'll be hard pressed to find a legitimate permit to carry holding citizen that has the bloodlust that the PSH crowd seems to think we all have simply because we take a common sense step to defend ourselves.
True, the mentioned scenario isn't about people with a permit to carry but people making a stand in their home. The PTC issue just seems relevant because most of us in the carry community are portrayed as bloodthirsty sociopaths.
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I just want to stop the attack.
I think that's something anyone under attack can agree with. It's just that the methods of ending an attack and by the virtue of those methods, the end results vary widely both in effectiveness and permanence.
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If I can accomplish that by running away, driving away, crossing the street, etc. that's what I am going to do.
I'm with you on the driving away all the way (even if it includes up and over the potential attacker).
I'm with you on the crossing the street thing---provisionally. If I'm with my family or my girlfriend and I see a person pull a weapon on one of us, the first thing I'm gonna do is put myself between the threat and my family. Then, I will take whatever steps possible to eliminate the threat.
On my property the onus is on the intruder to justify their presence. If they refuse to leave, the burden on them is heavier.
In my house, all bets are off. If you break a window, kick in a door, climb down a chimney, whatever-without a very good reason-I will percieve you and whatever associates you have with you as a threat to my life and the lives of my loved ones and you will be dealt with as such.
I will be D***ED if I run away from my home on the whims of some thug or burglar.
Things can become VERY convuluted after he fact and if you must defend yourself in court after a defensive shooting be prpared for the worst. A lot depends on the court having jurisdiction (CA SUCKS for sure as would NYC or MA). We are fortunate here in that the law favors self defense. Shooting a Goblin will not usually end up with the victim being prosecuted, and taking apart the mechanics of the shooting is rare. Not every place is so well off.
It seems that progress is being made , more and more states have reformed their self defense laws:
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