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Old 08-25-2015, 03:30 PM
 
Location: Nashville TN
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It's because Jews are the "chosen people" like Lebron James who happens to be black lol
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Old 08-25-2015, 09:37 PM
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Why was slavery not always thought to be wrong?
Don't know but the Kingdom of Dahomey had an annual celebration in which the war captives were sacrificed for the deceased kings by way of decapitation. However due to the slave trade being so lucrative they began trading them instead, as awful as slavery was it actually ended up sparing some people slated to be beheaded which is crazy.
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Old 08-25-2015, 09:54 PM
 
Location: Nashville TN
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I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not
But the Jews aren't chosen in any sense of the word.
They WERE chosen when they followed their God.
However, their God disinherited them once they killed Him.
Jesus was Jewish and he was not the Son of God, again the Moderator cut: avoiding the language filter .. you guys make me laugh.

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Old 08-26-2015, 07:13 AM
 
Location: Southeast Michigan
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I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not
But the Jews aren't chosen in any sense of the word.
They WERE chosen when they followed their God.
However, their God disinherited them once they killed Him.
You mean once the Romans killed him at the urge of Jewish religious leaders who hardly represented the millions of Hebrews (most of whom never even heard of Jesus ?) Romans of course being the ultimate occupying authority at that time. (This is if you take the Bible story for granted).

Of course once Christianity was appropriated by the very cynical and very pagan Emperor Constantine as the new unifying ideology of Imperial Rome, the religion had to be cleansed from any Jewish affiliations and made thoroughly Roman. This is why the Christians around the world are celebrating the Roman Pagan holiday of December 25th as Christmas even though Jesus was born in Spring.
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Old 08-27-2015, 02:49 AM
 
Location: Cushing OK
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Why was slavery not always thought to be wrong?
"Wrong" is a concept of our modern western society which has changed over time. If a practice is common in its own time, then its generally not considered 'wrong'. There may be those who don't participate, but they may or may not approve. In the era where masses of slaves were brought from Africa, it was a commercial practice, one which benifited both the African sellers and the European buyers.

Slavery was common in Africa and the Europeans paid well. And wars led to more captured merchandise. It worked, and benefited both sides of the trade. But before black slaves became the norm, the fields were out there, and someone had to harvest the tabacco.

The idea of using people under some sort of bond for labor you could depend on being there existed before slaves were commonly used. Way back when pesants were generally serfs, they got a place to live and farm for themself with the trade they also worked for the Lord of the manor. They were not 'slaves' but they could not leave, and the bond applied to their children. But there wasn't much reason to since there wasn't anywhere to go. The rules worked so they stayed that way.

The first obliged to labor in the American colonies were the otherwise 'useless' poor from work houses, shipped out and sold at the dock. Or convicts convicted of 'minor' crimes like very small value theft, transported by court order. Or just outright kidnapping. If the ship was ready to go and not full, they'd go to the poor part of town and grab people off the street, get their 'mark' on a blank paper and stow them away. Nobody cared. They were just excess population. For many years, especially since the best target was children for tabacco farms, it was a lifelong sentence since children tended to live no more than a year or two.

Both European excess people and Black available merchandise were of no value other than what labor they could provide, and were able to be reasonably controlled. Natives were tried but either died or ran away too often.

The reason it wasn't called 'wrong' as a general human standard is in that time or before is because people who can have been using and profiting off the labor of those who remain sufficently under control. Just as human society all over the planet has stratified since we have records or evidence. We can be noble or fair, but expediency tends to be the rule. And when the noble societies fall, the first thing lost is the nobility.
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Old 08-27-2015, 03:39 PM
 
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Slavery itself doesn't seem THAT bad to me, but the violence used against slaves was very sad, a very dark spot in human history.
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Old 08-27-2015, 04:23 PM
 
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Slavery itself doesn't seem THAT bad to me, but the violence used against slaves was very sad, a very dark spot in human history.
Slavery itself is bad, but that's late XIX century thinking. Slavery in the US and in Europe (Russia) existed until 1860s.

The violence against slaves was seen as bad even in the ancient times, although not everywhere. There were laws protecting slaves from torture / mutilation in Rome, although I am not sure if they were actually enforced. And Romans would often free their slaves for good work / dedication to family. In Ancient Israel, a master who hit his slave so hard he broke his tooth, had to free him, and any Jewish slave was automatically freed after six years. But then in Sparta, the slaves were treated extremely poorly and hunted for fun like wild animals.
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Old 08-27-2015, 08:56 PM
 
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Slavery itself is bad, but that's late XIX century thinking. Slavery in the US and in Europe (Russia) existed until 1860s.

The violence against slaves was seen as bad even in the ancient times, although not everywhere. There were laws protecting slaves from torture / mutilation in Rome, although I am not sure if they were actually enforced. And Romans would often free their slaves for good work / dedication to family. In Ancient Israel, a master who hit his slave so hard he broke his tooth, had to free him, and any Jewish slave was automatically freed after six years. But then in Sparta, the slaves were treated extremely poorly and hunted for fun like wild animals.
In Russia, was it the ethnic Russians (a Slavic people) enslaving minority tribes?
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Old 08-28-2015, 02:52 AM
 
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`Current minimum wage in the USA is what? Around $8.50/hour? I don't know. However I would bet there are not more than three or four Industrialized countries with a higher minimum wage for entry level positions. Does anyone have accurate stats on that?
There are quite a few countries with a higher minimum wage but they have mammoth amounts of unemployment. Unemployment statistics - Statistics Explained
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Old 08-28-2015, 12:48 PM
 
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There are quite a few countries with a higher minimum wage but they have mammoth amounts of unemployment. Unemployment statistics - Statistics Explained
Fair enough, don't you think? Nobody wants poverty wages but Walmart and other employers pay them and plan to for the rest of eternity.
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