If there was ever any doubt how much Houston depends on oil... (Dallas: crime, schools)

[marksmu]

Originally Posted by Jack Lance

When you look at where in Texas, Tech companies from out of state (Cali) are locating it is obvious that they are showing a marked preference for Texas cities that have ERO ordinances. Its not just coincidence.

"California saw most of its departures from the southern part of the state and the middle of the state — from the San Francisco Bay area straight across the Central Valley into what’s called Gold Country.
Of all U.S. cities, Austin was No. 1, gaining 86 California corporate sites or expansions. Dallas ranked sixth (20 companies), San Antonio was No. 8 (16), Houston was No. 11 (11), Plano and Irving tied with Hillsboro, Ore., for No. 13 (9) and Fort Worth tied with Tempe, Ariz., for No. 14 (8)."







Economic snapshot: Is Texas the new California?


Plano had 9 relocations to Houstons 11 and Plano is 1/10th of Houston's size. Plano went out of its way to pass a ERO because they want that business and are pragmatic about attracting relocations.

RIIIIIGHT....and it had NOTHING at all to do with climate, employment pool, or previous infrastructure?

California has a moderate climate...the CLOSEST you are going to get to that is the Hill Country....California has the left is good, liberal mentality, coincidentally, so does Austin.

Perhaps, the ordinance is not what makes the difference, but its the employees, and where the employees they need are willing to live.

Also coincidentally, Austin already has a tech infrastructure....its been home to Dell for a long time...Similarly, Dallas and Plano, have had TI, Raytheon, Lockheed for a very long time....But NONE of those things matter, only some silly ordinance.

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[Jack Lance]

Originally Posted by marksmu

RIIIIIGHT....and it had NOTHING at all to do with climate, employment pool, or previous infrastructure?

California has a moderate climate...the CLOSEST you are going to get to that is the Hill Country....California has the left is good, liberal mentality, coincidentally, so does Austin.

Perhaps, the ordinance is not what makes the difference, but its the employees, and where the employees they need are willing to live.

Also coincidentally, Austin already has a tech infrastructure....its been home to Dell for a long time...Similarly, Dallas and Plano, have had TI, Raytheon, Lockheed for a very long time....But NONE of those things matter, only some silly ordinance.

Those cities do not consider their ERO's as "silly" they understand they are a important symbol of tolerance and understanding that appeals to the Tech savvy frame of mind. I never intended to imply that Houston would somehow share equally in Tech corporate relocations and new start ups by passing a ERO ordinance, but it makes it that much more difficult to compete for that business without one. The evidence is clear but I'm sure many will continue to ignore it at all cost...


BTW Houston has had HP, BMC Software and others for a long time as well so don't act like there is no Tech infrastructure here to build on.

[Cowboys fan in Houston]

Originally Posted by marksmu

RIIIIIGHT....and it had NOTHING at all to do with climate, employment pool, or previous infrastructure?

California has a moderate climate...the CLOSEST you are going to get to that is the Hill Country....California has the left is good, liberal mentality, coincidentally, so does Austin.

Perhaps, the ordinance is not what makes the difference, but its the employees, and where the employees they need are willing to live.

Also coincidentally, Austin already has a tech infrastructure....its been home to Dell for a long time...Similarly, Dallas and Plano, have had TI, Raytheon, Lockheed for a very long time....But NONE of those things matter, only some silly ordinance.

I'll tell you this much because I know it to be true. Had Plano not passed an ERO, Toyota would not be there.

[DSL_PWR]

[radiolibre99]

Not exactly the Hero ordinance is part of the discussion because some believe it would help attract more business to improve the local economy. So not totally derailed.

[chmike]

Originally Posted by peterlemonjello

Between June 2015 and 2016, this was the job growth by metro area:

Los Angeles +221,300
[...]
Houston +5,200
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I doubt that these numbers can be just interpreted as they suggest. When looking at another census data sheet I found the following:
Table 4. Civilian labor force and unemployment by state and selected area, not seasonally adjusted

Los Angeles-Long Beach-Glendale(1) -Civilian labor force
June 2015 4,996,370
June 2016 5,041,819

That means the raw numbers for employment in LA have risen from June 15 to June 16 by 45449 more persons being employed.

However the numbers quoted by the OP suggest that 221,300 new jobs have been created.

Of course both numbers are correct but they could include different things:
- for example the 221K LA jobs could be majorly temporary jobs
- Jobs are statistically recorded differently in the 2 states
- ...

I couldnt find more information on how the number of new jobs are being calculated...

[marksmu]

Originally Posted by Jack Lance

Those cities do not consider their ERO's as "silly" they understand they are a important symbol of tolerance and understanding that appeals to the Tech savvy frame of mind. I never intended to imply that Houston would somehow share equally in Tech corporate relocations and new start ups by passing a ERO ordinance, but it makes it that much more difficult to compete for that business without one. The evidence is clear but I'm sure many will continue to ignore it at all cost...


BTW Houston has had HP, BMC Software and others for a long time as well so don't act like there is no Tech infrastructure here to build on.

I don't have a problem with tolerance and understanding...I took issue repeatedly over HERO due to the hardship it places on business in Houston. HERO went too far. It created penalties for employers, and required additional facilities without funding them.

Pass an ordinance fine, but adding the penalties and requirements added to business went too far.

And I do still think the other cities think its silly...but people say and do silly things for money all the time. Everyone has a price.

[VIRAL]

Originally Posted by marksmu

RIIIIIGHT....and it had NOTHING at all to do with climate, employment pool, or previous infrastructure?

California has a moderate climate...the CLOSEST you are going to get to that is the Hill Country....California has the left is good, liberal mentality, coincidentally, so does Austin.

Perhaps, the ordinance is not what makes the difference, but its the employees, and where the employees they need are willing to live.

Also coincidentally, Austin already has a tech infrastructure....its been home to Dell for a long time...Similarly, Dallas and Plano, have had TI, Raytheon, Lockheed for a very long time....But NONE of those things matter, only some silly ordinance.

False.

[VIRAL]

Originally Posted by marksmu

I don't have a problem with tolerance and understanding...I took issue repeatedly over HERO due to the hardship it places on business in Houston. HERO went too far. It created penalties for employers, and required additional facilities without funding them.

Pass an ordinance fine, but adding the penalties and requirements added to business went too far.

And I do still think the other cities think its silly...but people say and do silly things for money all the time. Everyone has a price.

Give it a rest. Companies, as the 21st Century is going on, are realizing more and more that hate is to be left back in the past where it belongs, and see that people with great skill sets can be employed, no matter their disposition or traits.