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Old 01-18-2019, 08:01 AM
 
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I mean, without Johnson APV would have been completely flattened the moment HACH filed its initial demolition petition in 1981. What ultimately happened is that its land area was kept the same but its capacity was halved. Tried as he might, some things were out of his control (Republicans got Congress in 1994 and removed his ally Henry Cisneros from an oversight position). Even Johnson, known for being aggressive and combative, knew that it was impossible to completely avoid the word "compromise" in this equation.

For most poor/low income Third Ward residents, they should get nicer housing in the area between 610 and BW8 and ensuring there are ample public transportation links to allow them to go to work. In addition the city should keep some low-income housing so some people who have jobs Downtown and in the TMC to continue living there. APV today still has 500 units instead of zero thanks to a compromise activists laid with Houston public housing authorities. The idea is to keep some units for low income residents in the Third Ward in a similar move, but more importantly, to extract concessions for those who will move out, so their quality of life isn't worsened.

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Many times, there isn’t any compromising with people who have created this system we live in. What type of compromise is the residents of Third Ward getting?
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Old 01-18-2019, 08:49 AM
 
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The beginning of your second paragraph still implies their moving out. What compromise are they getting in order to stay in their community?
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Old 01-18-2019, 08:59 AM
 
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A lot of people had to move out of Allen Parkway Village ... Lenwood Johnson included. (and he himself was later kicked out of another public housing complex owned by HACH, which understandably was seen as possible retaliation. He later moved to private housing.) But there are 500 units instead of zero (there were originally almost 1,000)

So think of it as keeping some of the people, instead of none of them, as the closest possible compromise.

Note: If anything the Third Ward is losing population as the rents rise. Several schools in the area have closed because there are not enough students: Douglass Elementary in 2005, Turner Elementary in 2009, Ryan Middle in 2013, and Dodson Elementary in 2014. A Christian private school and associated charter school opened in the former Douglass Elementary, and Ryan was replaced by a magnet school that draws from all over the city. The loss of the neighborhood schools is showing that the population's going down.

(Dunbar Elementary had closed in 1981 although I don't know if that had to do with population losses)

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The beginning of your second paragraph still implies their moving out. What compromise are they getting in order to stay in their community?
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Old 01-18-2019, 09:07 AM
 
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Charter schools have eaten the core of 3rd ward so it’s more than the area losing kids. You have HISD creating schools in the area which takes away from traditional schools and then the charters are eating away from the same pool plus magnet from other schools.

How can you ever grow?
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Old 01-18-2019, 09:19 AM
 
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A lot of people had to move out of Allen Parkway Village ... Lenwood Johnson included. (and he himself was later kicked out of another public housing complex owned by HACH, which understandably was seen as possible retaliation. He later moved to private housing.) But there are 500 units instead of zero (there were originally almost 1,000)

So think of it as keeping some of the people, instead of none of them, as the closest possible compromise.

Note: If anything the Third Ward is losing population as the rents rise. Several schools in the area have closed because there are not enough students: Douglass Elementary in 2005, Turner Elementary in 2009, Ryan Middle in 2013, and Dodson Elementary in 2014. A Christian private school and associated charter school opened in the former Douglass Elementary, and Ryan was replaced by a magnet school that draws from all over the city. The loss of the neighborhood schools is showing that the population's going down.

(Dunbar Elementary had closed in 1981 although I don't know if that had to do with population losses)
Many of those kids go to private school. The founders of my church opened up a school off Scott.
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Old 01-18-2019, 09:23 AM
 
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There was a William A. Lawson Institute for Peace and Prosperity (WALIPP) School for Boys at 3810 Ruth Street off Scott, right? It was a charter school, not private.

Unfortunately it's closed as of 2011 https://www.houstonisd.org/Page/32496

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Many of those kids go to private school. The founders of my church opened up a school off Scott.
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Old 01-18-2019, 09:25 AM
 
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There was a William A. Lawson Institute for Peace and Prosperity (WALIPP) School for Boys at 3810 Ruth Street off Scott, right? It was a charter school, not private.

Unfortunately it's closed as of 2011 https://www.houstonisd.org/Page/32496
No. That’s not it.
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Old 01-18-2019, 09:48 AM
 
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No. That’s not it.
There's also Yellowstone Academy, at 3000 Trulley, though it's bit away from Scott Street. It's the Christian school that is housed in the former Douglass Elementary, and is co-located with the charter.
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Old 01-18-2019, 01:05 PM
 
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Charter schools have eaten the core of 3rd ward so it’s more than the area losing kids. You have HISD creating schools in the area which takes away from traditional schools and then the charters are eating away from the same pool plus magnet from other schools.

How can you ever grow?
The Chronicle did an analysis on that... the charters take away about 15% of the students in HISD boundaries overall, and about 11% of the HS level students. The article said that in general intra-HISD transfers sap more from schools https://www.houstonchronicle.com/new...r-12805363.php

There's also the report on the numbers of students from attendance zones of Third Ward areas:
Baylor College of Medicine at Ryan has 728 students, with 171 from the Cullen zone: https://www.houstonisd.org/cms/lib2/...llege%20MS.pdf

Profiles from the past:
Old boundary maps:
Specific middle and elementary schools:

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Old 01-19-2019, 03:36 AM
 
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A few more from the south side of the Brays Bayou:

Current info:
Old maps:
Old enrollment:
TLDR:
  • Thompson went from 732 kids in 2000 to 415 kids in 2019, and of the latter figure, 244 are in-zone
  • Peck and MacArthur had a combined total of 766 kids in 2000 and 731 kids in 2002 ... to having 528 kids at only Peck, with, out of the latter, 337 in-zone
  • Lockhart had 629 students in 2000 and Turner had 467 students in 2000, with a total of 1,096 students, while Lockhart (consolidated) today has 523 students, with 372 in-zone.

If one likes, I could impose late 90s/early 2000s boundaries on a 2019 map to show just how much the environment's changed

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