Potential Patio + Storage Addition - how to approach

[a_guerrajr]

A shed is your cheapest bet, easily less than 10 grand even if you have one custom built for your specs. I'm talking nice, insulated, etc. You can of course get a pre-fab for a few hundred or even a couple grand and build yourself.

Patio if tied in to the roof, around $12-15K with current prices. If free standing knock off a few grand. This is all relative to whom you choose and finishes, also how much slab you add and etc. Would be a great time to add any outlets or gas lines if you do add slab.

[sonic0boom]

I have a 2 car garage with a 5' raised section on one side. Like you, not much extra space. I use a Thule bike stacker (here) for my bikes. Not sure if would work in your situation, but it works great for me and is worth looking into.

And we just had our patio redone -- new stamped concrete, pergola (with poly cover), and a summer kitchen. It's a little chilly to fully appreciate it right now, but we have no regrets as it is really nice! I would love a mud room addition, but it seems it would be expensive and a challenge to add on to the house.

[Htown2013]

Originally Posted by sonic0boom

I have a 2 car garage with a 5' raised section on one side. Like you, not much extra space. I use a Thule bike stacker (here) for my bikes. Not sure if would work in your situation, but it works great for me and is worth looking into.

And we just had our patio redone -- new stamped concrete, pergola (with poly cover), and a summer kitchen. It's a little chilly to fully appreciate it right now, but we have no regrets as it is really nice! I would love a mud room addition, but it seems it would be expensive and a challenge to add on to the house.

What size is your patio and how much did it cost? What is included in the summer kitchen, and did that increase the cost/complexity by a lot? Were you able to integrate a light or ceiling fan in your covered pergola? If so, that would be an option as it would let some light in.

The Thule bike rack would be great in a mud room, but not the garage, since we don't have the space. It seems modern Houston houses have 2.5 or 3 car garages and older ones have detached that had much more storage space. We just got the shaft in garage space, since the people who built our house didn't care.

[EDS_]

Having been through all this a few times I have some ideas, but I don't know the Houston area well enough get into foundation specifics.

1. Given that you can't build substantial storage under any porch area the, "lean to" style shed in your rendering is a good thought. You can also build the same against a fence.

2. If at all possible build a "floating" porch/deck and covering minimally or not tied to the house at all. If you want to avoid "bounce" build the porch portion beam and joist style over joist only unless you plan to sister and double sister joists and rim joists or in other ways overbuild the joist system. Eliminating beams is doable and saves height but ends up being more expensive nearly always.

3. Some of the prices noted above are way low. I'm building a little 8'x12' two door shed now materials only will be about $1,600. The same sized shed from HD is way lower quality than what I'm building and $5002 w/o foundation prep. HD (Tuff Shed) TB-700.

4. For a flier.........I built, not going to lie I hired some help, my boat lift & dock out of oil stem driven into the lake bed with a sledge hammer (smarter people would use a gas powered vibratory hand hammer/driver or one mounted on a skid-steer) and dock style metal clamps onto bearers (beams) and then joists. If you can lay hands onto oil stem that you know IS NOT radioactive (that's a thing) you can build a foundation that will last more or less forever, in this case the wetter and nastier the ground the better. Fill any vertical stems with compacted dirt or cement and cap any horizontal stem well on each end (openings foster rust). I'm not building my shed in Dallas this way because I happen to have a good bit of ground contact pine laying around from the dock/life and sea-wall build.

[sonic0boom]

Originally Posted by Htown2013

What size is your patio and how much did it cost? What is included in the summer kitchen, and did that increase the cost/complexity by a lot? Were you able to integrate a light or ceiling fan in your covered pergola? If so, that would be an option as it would let some light in.

The Thule bike rack would be great in a mud room, but not the garage, since we don't have the space. It seems modern Houston houses have 2.5 or 3 car garages and older ones have detached that had much more storage space. We just got the shaft in garage space, since the people who built our house didn't care.

Well, our house is from the early 90s with detached garage, but we didn't hit the roomy garage jackpot. It's a little crowded with the slat wall on one side and the shelves i installed in the back. I have 2 bikes on the Thule rack and 2 bikes hanging from the slat wall. But i just got a new bike and so it manages to squeeze into a corner.

Not sure the exact size of the pergola, but it spans most of the back of the house. The previous owners installed a janky pergola and did a crap job and cracked the concrete where they installed the posts. For that reason, we decided to demo the old patio and have a brand new one poured. The old one had also sunk quite a bit, and they did a nice job on the new one not only to raise it up, but then to have one section graded so that it is flush with the driveway (we didn't want any sort of step up there).

One of the kids said their only request on the new patio is that the pergola have a cover on it so they could play out in the rain So we did the poly cover (which wasn't cheap) for her. We also didn't want the inside of the house to get dark, which is why we did a pergola and a clear cover on it. And with the cover, no issues installing a fan. For lighting, we have an outlet mounted up high and controlled with a switch in order to power some string lights.

All in all, it was quoted at about 30K, not including appliances and fixtures. A few overages, only one of which that was not planned. I'd say the kitchen was maybe 10K of that. If your concrete is good, then not needing a new pour would save you quite a bit. It was quoted April/May of last year.

[3shipguy]

Originally Posted by sonic0boom

Well, our house is from the early 90s with detached garage, but we didn't hit the roomy garage jackpot. It's a little crowded with the slat wall on one side and the shelves i installed in the back. I have 2 bikes on the Thule rack and 2 bikes hanging from the slat wall. But i just got a new bike and so it manages to squeeze into a corner.

Not sure the exact size of the pergola, but it spans most of the back of the house. The previous owners installed a janky pergola and did a crap job and cracked the concrete where they installed the posts. For that reason, we decided to demo the old patio and have a brand new one poured. The old one had also sunk quite a bit, and they did a nice job on the new one not only to raise it up, but then to have one section graded so that it is flush with the driveway (we didn't want any sort of step up there).

One of the kids said their only request on the new patio is that the pergola have a cover on it so they could play out in the rain So we did the poly cover (which wasn't cheap) for her. We also didn't want the inside of the house to get dark, which is why we did a pergola and a clear cover on it. And with the cover, no issues installing a fan. For lighting, we have an outlet mounted up high and controlled with a switch in order to power some string lights.

All in all, it was quoted at about 30K, not including appliances and fixtures. A few overages, only one of which that was not planned. I'd say the kitchen was maybe 10K of that. If your concrete is good, then not needing a new pour would save you quite a bit. It was quoted April/May of last year.

Nice. Off topic but how’d u like that ooni?

[Ghost Town]

Originally Posted by sonic0boom

Well, our house is from the early 90s with detached garage, but we didn't hit the roomy garage jackpot. It's a little crowded with the slat wall on one side and the shelves i installed in the back. I have 2 bikes on the Thule rack and 2 bikes hanging from the slat wall. But i just got a new bike and so it manages to squeeze into a corner.

Not sure the exact size of the pergola, but it spans most of the back of the house. The previous owners installed a janky pergola and did a crap job and cracked the concrete where they installed the posts. For that reason, we decided to demo the old patio and have a brand new one poured. The old one had also sunk quite a bit, and they did a nice job on the new one not only to raise it up, but then to have one section graded so that it is flush with the driveway (we didn't want any sort of step up there).

One of the kids said their only request on the new patio is that the pergola have a cover on it so they could play out in the rain So we did the poly cover (which wasn't cheap) for her. We also didn't want the inside of the house to get dark, which is why we did a pergola and a clear cover on it. And with the cover, no issues installing a fan. For lighting, we have an outlet mounted up high and controlled with a switch in order to power some string lights.

All in all, it was quoted at about 30K, not including appliances and fixtures. A few overages, only one of which that was not planned. I'd say the kitchen was maybe 10K of that. If your concrete is good, then not needing a new pour would save you quite a bit. It was quoted April/May of last year.

How big is your patio?
From the pic I got an impression that it's similar size to my patio.
I built 12x12 ft covered patio myself for about 3K in materials + tools, with metal roof. That was almost 5 years ago. I guess the materials are more expensive now. My labor cost was $0 and I enjoyed working on this project.

[sonic0boom]

Originally Posted by 3shipguy

Nice. Off topic but how’d u like that ooni?

I like it enough that when i planned the outdoor kitchen, having a dedicated spot for the pizza oven was a requirement So, yeah, 2 thumbs up from me. Pro tip: unless you are just making personal size pizzas (~12") for 1-2 people, i do recommend getting the 16" oven.

[sonic0boom]

Originally Posted by Ghost Town

How big is your patio?
From the pic I got an impression that it's similar size to my patio.
I built 12x12 ft covered patio myself for about 3K in materials + tools, with metal roof. That was almost 5 years ago. I guess the materials are more expensive now. My labor cost was $0 and I enjoyed working on this project.

I just pulled up the design, and it is 27' wide along the back of the house by about 12' out. There is one section that tapers down to maybe 8' to accommodate some bay windows in the breakfast nook.

But, yeah, there is a huge difference in materials cost now vs 5 years ago. In fact, there is a huge difference just in the past year. There was a several month delay in the project getting started due to the backlog in their queue, and i was joking that it worked out for them since the cost of lumber had gone down maybe 50% from when i signed and when they started. This was a 2 man job, and it took them about a week. Quality work and no shortcuts.

[3shipguy]

Originally Posted by sonic0boom

I like it enough that when i planned the outdoor kitchen, having a dedicated spot for the pizza oven was a requirement So, yeah, 2 thumbs up from me. Pro tip: unless you are just making personal size pizzas (~12") for 1-2 people, i do recommend getting the 16" oven.

Sweet. Been eyeing that oven for a minute. Thx for the reply.