Feedback on Katy and Cypress Communities (Houston, Dallas: low income, homes, neighborhood)

[mkwensky]

Originally Posted by hbcu

because the schools turned colorful quickly and folks who spent some major cash on a house could not fathom those demographics 33 miles from downtown

Not difficult to fathom at all. Can you name a high performing 'colorful' non-magnet public school in Texas?

[DabOnEm]

Originally Posted by mkwensky

Not difficult to fathom at all. Can you name a high performing 'colorful' non-magnet public school in Texas?

Really? That's very easy to do. Cypress Ranch is one of them https://schools.texastribune.org/dis...h-high-school/

[LocalPlanner]

Originally Posted by DabOnEm

Really? That's very easy to do. Cypress Ranch is one of them https://schools.texastribune.org/dis...h-high-school/

And Travis HS in FBISD.

[LocalPlanner]

Originally Posted by DabOnEm

Or just no planning but I digress

inb4 some super literal poster says "but the county does have a planning map or doc"

You are wrong - there has been planning. The City of Houston's Major Thoroughfare Plan has been in places for decades (updated annually) and has been consistently applied throughout the ETJ. Now, has it been adequate? I would say "no" because it doesn't require enough smaller connecting through streets, but the idiot suburbanites who insist that their area should be a total isolated bubble with only one way in and out (the epitome of bad planning) probably think it was just peachy (and they would be wrong).

[LocalPlanner]

Originally Posted by mkwensky

Not difficult to fathom at all. Can you name a high performing 'colorful' non-magnet public school in Texas?

If you're the kind of person who thinks that the ideal suburban family environment includes lily-white and affluent local public schools (maybe some allowance for a limited number of Asians), the Houston area is not a place you're likely to find much happiness. Too bad for you.

[hbcu]

Look at Cy Ranch and the majority still - but certain Cypress schools are intentionally zoned to have better demographics - Cy Ranch, Bridgelands, Cy Fair, Jersey Village will always be taken care of

That end of FBISD still is growing but Travis gets the desired areas so they'll be in demand for now

[LocalPlanner]

Originally Posted by hbcu

Look at Cy Ranch and the majority still - but certain Cypress schools are intentionally zoned to have better demographics - Cy Ranch, Bridgelands, Cy Fair, Jersey Village will always be taken care of

That end of FBISD still is growing but Travis gets the desired areas so they'll be in demand for now

"Better" demographics? And how are you defining that?

In another recent thread, someone was complaining that Cy-Fair now has the wrong crowd and isn't "safe" anymore. A similar comment made just today or yesterday in the Dallas forum about schools in Plano.

I think if you ask a lot of folks in these forums, local ISDs don't do enough to "protect" their "preferred" student profile via zone boundaries and some sort of unjustified land use restrictions. They're really pathetic, the folks who say such things.

[NigerianNightmare]

Originally Posted by DabOnEm

Really? That's very easy to do. Cypress Ranch is one of them https://schools.texastribune.org/dis...h-high-school/

Most of the highly rated South Katy schools are minority-majority…

Even the school I went to is public, non-magnet however Charter and it’s under 15% White (Half of this population is MENA) and has an A rating.

https://schools.texastribune.org/dis...nnovation-kat/

https://schools.texastribune.org/dis...s-high-school/

https://schools.texastribune.org/dis...s-high-school/

https://schools.texastribune.org/dis...h-high-school/

https://schools.texastribune.org/dis...r-high-school/

https://schools.texastribune.org/dis...n-high-school/

Not a single A rated High school that’s public is majority white. Most of them aren’t even 40%.

Not to mention Lamar CISD with, Fulshear, George Ranch and Foster all extremely diverse.

[mkwensky]

Originally Posted by NigerianNightmare

Most of the highly rated South Katy schools are minority-majority…

Even the school I went to is public, non-magnet however Charter and it’s under 15% White (Half of this population is MENA) and has an A rating.

https://schools.texastribune.org/dis...nnovation-kat/

https://schools.texastribune.org/dis...s-high-school/

https://schools.texastribune.org/dis...s-high-school/

https://schools.texastribune.org/dis...h-high-school/

https://schools.texastribune.org/dis...r-high-school/

https://schools.texastribune.org/dis...n-high-school/

Not a single A rated High school that’s public is majority white. Most of them aren’t even 40%.

Not to mention Lamar CISD with, Fulshear, George Ranch and Foster all extremely diverse.

I can't really read the linked articles because of ads - I mostly use Greatschools.
Based on your source Jordan High was rated "Not Rated: Declared State of Disaster". On Greatschools their test scores seem pretty low.
Looks like whites are still the plurality of most of these schools. In the Houston metro it would be hard to find a public school where whites are over 50% period. If you rank all schools in the area by colorfulness I doubt these would be up there. Are there any high performing non-magnet, non-charter public schools where the plurality isn't either white or Asian?

Not saying racism could not play a role in antagonism toward certain groups, as some of the white flight cases in FBISD due to Asians have shown, but it's possible to be against certain demographic shifts based on effect on educational outcomes.

[LocalPlanner]

Originally Posted by mkwensky

I can't really read the linked articles because of ads - I mostly use Greatschools.
Based on your source Jordan High was rated "Not Rated: Declared State of Disaster". On Greatschools their test scores seem pretty low.
Looks like whites are still the plurality of most of these schools. In the Houston metro it would be hard to find a public school where whites are over 50% period. If you rank all schools in the area by colorfulness I doubt these would be up there. Are there any high performing non-magnet, non-charter public schools where the plurality isn't either white or Asian?

Not saying racism could not play a role in antagonism toward certain groups, as some of the white flight cases in FBISD due to Asians have shown, but it's possible to be against certain demographic shifts based on effect on educational outcomes.

Your last sentence seems to be based on the premise that one or more of: (1) an increase in Hispanic enrollment, or Black enrollment, will result in overall lower metrics of achievement for the schools; (2) increases in those groups will have negative impacts on educational outcomes for other groups; and (3) homeowners are owed "protection" of their home values because increases in the shares of those groups attending the zoned schools will result in drops in home values because of the way the market works in suburban areas.

Regarding (3), yes, the market might discount home values to the extent that it perceives (1) and (2) are true, but the idea that homeowners are owed some sort of protection from this is invalid. And, of course, there's no proof that (1) or (2) are valid either.