Lina Hidalgo clinging to 1-pt lead against GOP's Alexandra del Moral Mealer (Victoria: health insurance, public school)

[detachable arm]

Originally Posted by WRM20

So, no real issues with drop boxes, other than you don't like them.

Some people want to make sure their ballot makes it to the election officials without risking the mail, where the chances of your ballot disappearing are much higher than one in a billion, and the chances it gets delayed past the deadline are very high.

Who might not want to walk into the poll location? People with mobility issues. People with cancer. People with COPD. People who don't like crowds or lines.

Why does the right hate for people to be able to vote more easily?

Because when more people vote, more republicans lose. It’s a phenomenon going back several decades and everyone already knows this.

If voting were compulsory like in Belgium or Australia, today’s Republican Party would become irrelevant and illegitimate.

[crone]

Originally Posted by utche96

Wide spread mail-in voting simply is not a secure system and defeats two sacrosanct tenets of vote integrity: secrecy and verification. These vote drop-boxes are in unsecured location. No one verifies that the person handling the votes is authorized to do so. And there is no robust form to verify that the actual voter was the one who completed the ballot. It's banana republic level bullsh*t.

There is no legitimate reason for widespread mail-in voting. It has never been easier to vote in-person. The only reason to continue pushing mail-in voting is if you benefit from vote fraud. If you have a legitimate reason for not voting in person (travelling or health issues) then we have absentee voting available.

How? If I fill out the application for a mail in ballot, the county clerk has my signature. They can also get it and my fingerprints from my TDL.


Then I get a ballot. It has a bar code on it specifically for me. Someone at my address could vote my ballot. Can they forge my signature? I can drop it in the mail, or a drop box, or I can just take it to a polling place and give it to the election clerk. At counting time, they check the signature that on the outside envelope. Do whatever they do with the envelope. Then they get my ballot out of the inside envelope.

Where is the massive opportunity for fraud.

[oil capital]

Originally Posted by WRM20

So, no real issues with drop boxes, other than you don't like them.

Some people want to make sure their ballot makes it to the election officials without risking the mail, where the chances of your ballot disappearing are much higher than one in a billion, and the chances it gets delayed past the deadline are very high.

Why do people on the left, who trust government with power over ever more areas of our lives, not trust the government postal service to deliver their ballots?

[oil capital]

Originally Posted by WRM20

So, no real issues with drop boxes, other than you don't like them.


Who might not want to walk into the poll location? People with mobility issues. People with cancer. People with COPD. People who don't like crowds or lines.

Per HarrisVotes: "Voters physically unable to enter the polling location may also request to be allowed to vote at the “curbside” outside the polling location. "

Drop Boxes seem to be a solution in seach of a problem.

[WRM20]

Originally Posted by oil capital

Why do people on the left, who trust government with power over ever more areas of our lives, not trust the government postal service to deliver their ballots?

Because the current Postmaster General, appointed by the previous President, managed to slow down mail prior to the 2020 election, causing late deliveries, lost mail, and myriad other issues. In many areas, mailboxes are broken into and mail is stolen or destroyed. The USPS is an independent agency of the Executive Branch, and is not operated like a standard government entity.

Besides that, some people just want to drop their ballot into a box controlled by election officials once they've filled it out. It doesn't hurt anything, and helps people trust that their vote is counted.

[houston-nomad]

Originally Posted by oil capital

Per HarrisVotes: "Voters physically unable to enter the polling location may also request to be allowed to vote at the “curbside” outside the polling location. "

Drop Boxes seem to be a solution in seach of a problem.

This whole conversation is a solution in search of a problem. Just let people vote. The only cases of voter fraud that have been unearthed, in all the digging, has been by a few Republicans with a partisan axe to grind, not by average voters. Move on.

[crone]

Originally Posted by oil capital

Per HarrisVotes: "Voters physically unable to enter the polling location may also request to be allowed to vote at the “curbside” outside the polling location. "

Drop Boxes seem to be a solution in seach of a problem.

And election clerks have been trained for many years to take the voting machines to the car of people who cannot enter the polling place.

[utche96]

Voter fraud has been discovered and prosecuted - one example below. One issue is that voter fraud is very difficult to catch and prove. Furthermore, how do you know that a vote is not influenced by someone else when using mail-in voting? Requiring a photo ID at secured drop-boxes is certainly better than nothing but it still does not solve the issue of proving no one influenced the voters choices.

https://www.texasattorneygeneral.gov...20Victoria.pdf

[houston-nomad]

Originally Posted by utche96

Voter fraud has been discovered and prosecuted - one example below. One issue is that voter fraud is very difficult to catch and prove. Furthermore, how do you know that a vote is not influenced by someone else when using mail-in voting? Requiring a photo ID at secured drop-boxes is certainly better than nothing but it still does not solve the issue of proving no one influenced the voters choices.

https://www.texasattorneygeneral.gov...20Victoria.pdf

Despite your anec-data, it's just not backed up by actual data. Google "how common is voter fraud" and choose your preferred source. This was at the top of the list, as an example:
https://www.brennancenter.org/issues...th-voter-fraud

[utche96]

Originally Posted by houston-nomad

Despite your anec-data, it's just not backed up by actual data. Google "how common is voter fraud" and choose your preferred source. This was at the top of the list, as an example:
https://www.brennancenter.org/issues...th-voter-fraud

Anecdotal data? I linked an actual indictment of election fraud. Your study is from a radical left wing group. I find it as compelling as you would probably find "2000 mules".