Lewiston or Moscow? (Caldwell, Paris, Albion: home, transfer, purchasing)

[Syringaloid]

This is a cause for concern in Moscow.

https://www.vice.com/en/article/m7ez...th-a-firm-hand

Christ Church appears to be extremely un-Christ like. Where do these kooks come from? Do they really think they can flip Moscow to bow to their tyranny?

https://www.spokesman.com/stories/20...theyre-pushin/

A lot of people come to this forum and express concern about the LDS Church. Folks, the LDS Church is the least of your worries, it is these evil religions that mock Christianity by feeling they must rule the land and these types of Evangelical riff raff are the ones that should be what you worry about.

[Heron31]

Originally Posted by Syringaloid

A lot of people come to this forum and express concern about the LDS Church. Folks, the LDS Church is the least of your worries, it is these evil religions that mock Christianity by feeling they must rule the land and these types of Evangelical riff raff are the ones that should be what you worry about.

Yes, and one should surely be able to speak out about it.....

"...the desire to seek a kind of accommodation [between science and religion] by mutual tolerance is understandable, even commendable. Nonetheless speaking as a secularist and skeptic, I believe this should not preclude others within the community from questioning the claims of Biblical, Koranic, or other absolute faiths, particularly since massive efforts are constantly undertaken by missionaries to recruit members to the fold... This posture is especially questionable given the constant effort by militant religionists to apply their doctrines in the political process, thus seeking to impose their views on others." - Paul Kurtz

[volosong]

[mod note] Hey, guys/gals. All the posts today to this ancient thread have been 'off topic'. Mask mandates and religions should go into their own threads. [/mod note]

[Mister Torgue]

Between these two we liked Lewiston a bunch more when we visited back in June. Moscow felt dirty and people weren’t as friendly. It’ll probably rub some folks the wrong way which is not my intent but Moscow felt like LA to us whereas Lewiston didn’t stand out one way or the other versus the other towns we visited on our trip while in Idaho, which I see as a positive thing. Anecdotal as it may be it still is a valid data point to consider.

[Syringaloid]

Originally Posted by Mister Torgue

Between these two we liked Lewiston a bunch more when we visited back in June. Moscow felt dirty and people weren’t as friendly. It’ll probably rub some folks the wrong way which is not my intent but Moscow felt like LA to us whereas Lewiston didn’t stand out one way or the other versus the other towns we visited on our trip while in Idaho, which I see as a positive thing. Anecdotal as it may be it still is a valid data point to consider.

In what ways did Moscow feel dirty? I've always thought of it as a vibrant and tidy town with a quaint downtown area.
Lewiston feels run down and grimy and looks economically depressed, although the city is investing in bringing life back to the historic downtown.

Moscow has a population of only around 27,000. What made it feel like Los Angeles of all places?

[Mister Torgue]

Originally Posted by Syringaloid

In what ways did Moscow feel dirty? I've always thought of it as a vibrant and tidy town with a quaint downtown area.
Lewiston feels run down and grimy and looks economically depressed, although the city is investing in bringing life back to the historic downtown.

Moscow has a population of only around 27,000. What made it feel like Los Angeles of all places?

More trash in the street and the people mainly. Population aside, those are the two things that stood out to us between the two. Naturally all cities and towns have run down or poorer areas, I was just surprised to encounter the trash and the people not being as friendly. Granted the people thing could of been out of towners and we wouldn’t of known. Once we move up to Idaho I’ll be able to see more of it to see if my first impressions are good. I will say the area around Lewiston is nice.

[509]

Originally Posted by Syringaloid

Moscow has a population of only around 27,000. What made it feel like Los Angeles of all places?

27,000!!! That would make it feel like LA.

It was a nice small town. Almost went to graduate school there, TWICE.

I did prefer it to Pullman, but it seems that it is getting rather crowded these days.

27,000 who would believe it???

[banjomike]

Originally Posted by Mister Torgue

More trash in the street and the people mainly. Population aside, those are the two things that stood out to us between the two. Naturally all cities and towns have run down or poorer areas, I was just surprised to encounter the trash and the people not being as friendly. Granted the people thing could of been out of towners and we wouldn’t of known. Once we move up to Idaho I’ll be able to see more of it to see if my first impressions are good. I will say the area around Lewiston is nice.

I can understand both reasons.

It's a university town, with an even larger university very nearby. Tensions at the schools have always bled into the community at large. There has always been a school-townie division there as well.

Since a lot of the younger folks in town don't call it their home, and since the U of I is such a bargain for a higher degree, there are a lot of students from other states and some nations there.

Since they're all there for only one purpose that has little to do with the community's affairs, they probably aren't as friendly as folks are in Lewiston. Lewiston as a college too, but it's smaller, and Lewiston's residents outnumber their student population. So there's more investment in community there than in Moscow.

Moscow is still largely a farm town as a city, and all farm towns can look trashy at times of the year. Lots of farm towns here look run-down too, as farming hasn't been a high-profit endeavor for ages. Lewiston has a more diversified economy, even though it's also partly a farm town.

It's been a very long time since I lived in Moscow, but even way back then, the students tended to hang together and generally ignored the townies they didn't know, and the town had some patchy areas back then too, as did the university.
I got used to life there pretty quickly, as it wasn't anything unusual or different to me. Even at the opposite end of the state, the towns I was familiar with were much the same. Only the landscape differed.

I'm sure that's no longer as true as it was back in the past, but Idaho hasn't changed dramatically everywhere.

Some cities, including my own, are radically different than they were when I was young, while others haven't changed much at all. And still others have lost population and have gone downhill since then.

[Mister Torgue]

Originally Posted by banjomike

I can understand both reasons.

It's a university town, with an even larger university very nearby. Tensions at the schools have always bled into the community at large. There has always been a school-townie division there as well.

Since a lot of the younger folks in town don't call it their home, and since the U of I is such a bargain for a higher degree, there are a lot of students from other states and some nations there.

Since they're all there for only one purpose that has little to do with the community's affairs, they probably aren't as friendly as folks are in Lewiston. Lewiston as a college too, but it's smaller, and Lewiston's residents outnumber their student population. So there's more investment in community there than in Moscow.

Moscow is still largely a farm town as a city, and all farm towns can look trashy at times of the year. Lots of farm towns here look run-down too, as farming hasn't been a high-profit endeavor for ages. Lewiston has a more diversified economy, even though it's also partly a farm town.

It's been a very long time since I lived in Moscow, but even way back then, the students tended to hang together and generally ignored the townies they didn't know, and the town had some patchy areas back then too, as did the university.
I got used to life there pretty quickly, as it wasn't anything unusual or different to me. Even at the opposite end of the state, the towns I was familiar with were much the same. Only the landscape differed.

I'm sure that's no longer as true as it was back in the past, but Idaho hasn't changed dramatically everywhere.

Some cities, including my own, are radically different than they were when I was young, while others haven't changed much at all. And still others have lost population and have gone downhill since then.

These are all very good points. Thank you for your perspective.

[pnwguy2]

The quad area of Lewiston/Clarkston and Moscow/Pullman is somewhat underestimated. The four cities have a population of over 100k, plus two major state universities. No, it isn’t a big metro area, but some discount the total population.