He’s Only Here to Work (visa, illegal aliens, immigrate, regime)
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Theres is a path to go through to go from being a illegal immigrant to a legal one. It's called legally immigrating. Many legal immigrants have already gone that route, hence the whole "legal" word. Come on.....is this really news?
So laws are immutable? Once a thing is deemed illegal there is a divine morality that surrounds it and you can't change that? So the entire basis of our nation (a process set up to address changing situations) doesn't apply in this case?
The laws are written in black and white and are supposed to be in place for the common good of all and ALL must follow them or chaos ensues. When my son was being a jerk and ran afoul of a law and came for me to get him a lawyer to get him out of it I told him, "You knew the law, you also figured it didn't apply to you. Your fault, you did the crime you do the time, you are expected to follow the laws as everybody else is without exception" He did 18 months for being stupid.......his first and last time thinking the law doesn't apply to him. If I can make my own son follow the letter of the law instead of looking for the loophole or the easy way out why wouldn't I insist these illegals do the same? Why do you think it should be any different for these people who made the conscious CHOICE to disobey the laws of the land here? What makes them more special and deserving of citizenship than the ones who have spent the time waiting in their own countries for the right to immigrate? Is it because they made that choice and showed that they lack moral fibre? In some way are they so much more deserving than any others out there that too just "want a better life"? These people made their choices but now choose to call foul when they are called to pay for their actions, they want the playing field slanted in their favor and sorry but thats not right or fair.
The laws are written in black and white and are supposed to be in place for the common good of all and ALL must follow them or chaos ensues. When my son was being a jerk and ran afoul of a law and came for me to get him a lawyer to get him out of it I told him, "You knew the law, you also figured it didn't apply to you. Your fault, you did the crime you do the time, you are expected to follow the laws as everybody else is without exception" He did 18 months for being stupid.......his first and last time thinking the law doesn't apply to him. If I can make my own son follow the letter of the law instead of looking for the loophole or the easy way out why wouldn't I insist these illegals do the same? Why do you think it should be any different for these people who made the conscious CHOICE to disobey the laws of the land here? What makes them more special and deserving of citizenship than the ones who have spent the time waiting in their own countries for the right to immigrate? Is it because they made that choice and showed that they lack moral fibre? In some way are they so much more deserving than any others out there that too just "want a better life"? These people made their choices but now choose to call foul when they are called to pay for their actions, they want the playing field slanted in their favor and sorry but thats not right or fair.
He should be deported if he committed a serious offense.
Also, the whole "spending the time to immigrate" is exactly why we need to change the laws. My mom almost died waiting (medical complications, they lost her visa paperwork). My friend's dad hand was cut off because the consulate lost his paperwork (he left because he angered his home regime). The wait times are too ridiculous.
So laws are immutable? Once a thing is deemed illegal there is a divine morality that surrounds it and you can't change that? So the entire basis of our nation (a process set up to address changing situations) doesn't apply in this case?
Sure our laws can be changed by citizens lobbying to make those changes but illegals marching in our streets demanding that our laws be changed to accomodate them is beyond reason.
Also, until or if a law is changed we are obligated to follow them, both citizen and foreigner.
Sure our laws can be changed by citizens lobbying to make those changes but illegals marching in our streets demanding that our laws be changed to accomodate them is beyond reason.
The system is broken. I want it fixed. Thus, I want the laws to reflect actuality. It's within the realm of reason.
The system is broken. I want it fixed. Thus, I want the laws to reflect actuality. It's within the realm of reason.
So what do you mean by broken? We don't allot enough visas for the poor, unskilled and uneducated? Let's assume that is what you mean by broken. If that is so then you must be aware that there are more immigrants in that catagory that want to come here than the demand for them. How do you stop the surplus from coming here illegally then? Once the ones who are here already are legalized and the employer has to pay them more than they do now do you actually think they will want more here via our new higher quotas or continue to seek out the new illegal ones that will come afterwords so that they can go back to paying less again? The cycle will never end.
Are you serious? It's not broken then. No, its perfectly fine that millions of illegal immigrants are here because of series of policies that don't reflect the labor market. It makes complete and utter sense that we should NOT address the reality of the situation and try to find the best possible outcome for BOTH parties involved. I mean, the system isn't broken...right?
So what do you mean by broken? We don't allot enough visas for the poor, unskilled and uneducated? Let's assume that is what you mean by broken. If that is so then you must be aware that there are more immigrants in that catagory that want to come here than the demand for them. How do you stop the surplus from coming here illegally then? Once the ones who are here already are legalized and the employer has to pay them more than they do now do you actually think they will want more here via our new higher quotas or continue to seek out the new illegal ones that will come afterwords so that they can go back to paying less again? The cycle will never end.
My mom's not educated. She was poor. Now we're not as poor. So was a HUGE percentage of immigrants during the previous wave of immigration. Huh I wonder how we managed? Oh that's right...we created public schools to educate children. We later developed a modern bureaucracy and reformed labor laws. We created a police force and fire fighting force. Public Health was created. We did it before.
You stop the surplus of those coming illegally by realizing that there needs to be a fair mechanism. You can have a sector based quota (quotas by industry) as opposed to national origin based quotas (the process could be first come first serve...which is more fair).
You're assumption is flawed on many levels. You never stated the parameters of employer based quotas (in many industries they are easily renewed). If you don't make the costs prohibitive, then you reduce the chance of entering illegal. You shift the benefit. The main reasons of entering illegally are time and money. If you streamline the process and reduce fees, you hit the biggest contributors of illegal immigration.
Were talking illegal immigrants here right. What about "illegal" don't you understand? Were also talking about a criminal.
Where are the rights of the american tax payer, or for the "legal Immigrants" for that matter. Why should the rights of people here illegally supercede those of citizens. Free lunches, wic, medical, education, etc.
Last time I looked the United States wasn't flush with cash. What we don't need is what we have now a illegal population unable to financially support themselves to offset the cost of them being here.
Look around you at the real estate market, the jobs lost, unemployment, of course we don't need the additional problem of criminal illegals.
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