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Old 12-23-2010, 07:55 AM
 
Location: Oklahoma(formerly SoCalif) Originally Mich,
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Not being able to get a DL in any state is just one of the things that will encourage them to self-deport or not come here at all. The fear of getting caught and deported is a deterrant for some.
If getting a DL is a problem, most will drive without.
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Old 12-23-2010, 08:00 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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If getting a DL is a problem, most will drive without.
Escondido has it right with check points and impounding cars.
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Old 12-23-2010, 08:53 AM
 
Location: Arvada, CO
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Not being able to get a DL in any state is just one of the things that will encourage them to self-deport or not come here at all. The fear of getting caught and deported is a deterrant for some.
I think mkfarnam has this one right. I don't think any illegal is saying "No license? I guess I'll go home then." First and foremost, they are here to work and octuple their earning potential, with securing a better life for themselves/families coming in a close second.

I don't think too many fear deportation. For many, it'll just mean having to find a way back.

What kinds of things are illegals currently getting deported for? One told me last week, that in ten years here, he has only gotten one ticket. He went and paid it, and washed his hands of it (I don't know if he has a license or not). He certainly didn't get deported, and ironically prides himself on behaving himself when it comes to the law.

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Escondido has it right with check points and impounding cars.
Is that the kind of authoritarian government we all should have to live under? IMO that's too big a price to pay for a measly 3% of the national population.
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Old 12-23-2010, 09:15 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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I think mkfarnam has this one right. I don't think any illegal is saying "No license? I guess I'll go home then." First and foremost, they are here to work and octuple their earning potential, with securing a better life for themselves/families coming in a close second.

I don't think too many fear deportation. For many, it'll just mean having to find a way back.

What kinds of things are illegals currently getting deported for? One told me last week, that in ten years here, he has only gotten one ticket. He went and paid it, and washed his hands of it (I don't know if he has a license or not). He certainly didn't get deported, and ironically prides himself on behaving himself when it comes to the law.



Is that the kind of authoritarian government we all should have to live under? IMO that's too big a price to pay for a measly 3% of the national population.
It doesn't have to be everywhere. Obviously, if you have an area that is strife with people driving without a license that is where you concentrate it.

The criminals are forcing these hands, don't forget that.

Did you remind your friend that coming here illegally is still breaking a law? How can he be proud? He's still a criminal.

Or is this that Burger King mentality that I'll obey this law, and that law but this other law? Naw.
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Old 12-23-2010, 09:19 AM
 
Location: Arvada, CO
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It doesn't have to be everywhere. Obviously, if you have an area that is strife with people driving without a license that is where you concentrate it.

The criminals are forcing these hands, don't forget that.
The illegals should already know they aren't welcome in Escondido. I've known that for years.

So are we talking like every other car pulled over in 'Dido is piloted by someone lacking a license?

Even still, I wouldn't want to be put in that situation as a law-abiding citizen. It's like reaction before action IMO. Just like those darn red-light cameras.
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Old 12-23-2010, 09:21 AM
 
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I think mkfarnam has this one right. I don't think any illegal is saying "No license? I guess I'll go home then." First and foremost, they are here to work and octuple their earning potential, with securing a better life for themselves/families coming in a close second.

I don't think too many fear deportation. For many, it'll just mean having to find a way back.

What kinds of things are illegals currently getting deported for? One told me last week, that in ten years here, he has only gotten one ticket. He went and paid it, and washed his hands of it (I don't know if he has a license or not). He certainly didn't get deported, and ironically prides himself on behaving himself when it comes to the law.



Is that the kind of authoritarian government we all should have to live under? IMO that's too big a price to pay for a measly 3% of the national population.

I disagree. You cannot put a price tag on erradicating unlawfullness. In the case of illegals regardless of the precent they are of our population they are costing big bucks, jobs, American lives and increasing our crime rates in other ways also.
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Old 12-23-2010, 09:23 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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The illegals should already know they aren't welcome in Escondido. I've known that for years.

So are we talking like every other car pulled over in 'Dido is piloted by someone lacking a license?

Even still, I wouldn't want to be put in that situation as a law-abiding citizen. It's like reaction before action IMO. Just like those dam red-light cameras.
Law is law, if we don't respect it we can expect LE to show up. As far as how many? I've read reports that at peak traffic up to 2 in 10 on the road in Escondido are unlicensed.

For being "unwelcomed" Escondido sure has a huge population of Illegals.
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Old 12-23-2010, 09:23 AM
 
Location: Arvada, CO
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You cannot put a price tag on erradicating unlawfullness.
Well, apparently the gov't has decided it's too expensive.
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Old 12-23-2010, 09:24 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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Well, apparently the gov't has decided it's too expensive.
Obama has deported more Illegals than even Bush
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Old 12-23-2010, 09:25 AM
 
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The illegals should already know they aren't welcome in Escondido. I've known that for years.

So are we talking like every other car pulled over in 'Dido is piloted by someone lacking a license?

Even still, I wouldn't want to be put in that situation as a law-abiding citizen. It's like reaction before action IMO. Just like those darn red-light cameras.
Disagree again. I have no problem whatsover being pulled over for a license check or any other kind of check by LE. The little inconvenience from it pays off in getting criminals off our streets. I have nothing to hide, so big deal.
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