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Old 12-27-2010, 08:53 AM
 
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Well, since only about 2% work in the fields I am going to guess the farmers need to increase wages.

Aren't a majority of agricultural field workers illegal immigrants?

Lower enrollment? How can this be unless they CHOOSE not to enroll their kids. Here in SD all school is free including the school of the Parent's choice. Making someone legal won't change anything that is already FREE.

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You're not really making sense. Increasing wages doesn't necessarily equate to retaining workers. Also farmers don't have unlimited funds to simply increase wages. Illegal immigrants comprise more than 2% of farm workers btw. According to Pew in 2006, 26% are illegal. That's a very significant number.

Yes, at the uni level. Uni=university level.
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Old 12-27-2010, 08:58 AM
 
Location: Pa
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You're not really making sense. Increasing wages doesn't necessarily equate to retaining workers. Also farmers don't have unlimited funds to simply increase wages. Illegal immigrants comprise more than 2% of farm workers btw. According to Pew in 2006, 26% are illegal. That's a very significant number.

Yes, at the uni level. Uni=university level.
So 26% of them are criminals who never applied for a VISA? How many of them are also driving without a license?
Thank you for making a valid point. Immigration reform must start with a nation wide crack down to first rid ourselves of these criminals who have no respect for our laws.
Immigration reform will be impossible until we first gain control of our borders.
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Old 12-27-2010, 09:01 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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You're not really making sense. Increasing wages doesn't necessarily equate to retaining workers. Also farmers don't have unlimited funds to simply increase wages. Illegal immigrants comprise more than 2% of farm workers btw. According to Pew in 2006, 26% are illegal. That's a very significant number.

Yes, at the uni level. Uni=university level.
Anyone can attend a College, it might not be the one they want but they still can. No one is ENTITLED to a degree.

If a business can't stay afloat without doing something illegal it needs to fail. Understand? Why should tax payers be forced to subsidize a business that can't make it without using slave like labor?
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Old 12-27-2010, 09:06 AM
 
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So 26% of them are criminals who never applied for a VISA? How many of them are also driving without a license?
Thank you for making a valid point. Immigration reform must start with a nation wide crack down to first rid ourselves of these criminals who have no respect for our laws.
Immigration reform will be impossible until we first gain control of our borders.
That may or not be the case. Basically that's a baseless assumption the total percentage that never applied for a visa.

Again, it's this simplistic argument (which seems to now dominate every facet of politics) that takes nothing else into account that is truly doing harm in our nation.

Immigration reform will be impossible if you simply come from a standpoint of emotion.
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Old 12-27-2010, 09:07 AM
 
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As previously stated, the only "reform" needed is enforcement and a larger ag visa program. One that requires decent wages, a sponsor and accountibility.
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Old 12-27-2010, 09:09 AM
 
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Anyone can attend a College, it might not be the one they want but they still can. No one is ENTITLED to a degree.

If a business can't stay afloat without doing something illegal it needs to fail. Understand? Why should tax payers be forced to subsidize a business that can't make it without using slave like labor?
No, not anyone can.

You do realize that we subsidize a myriad of industries. This is a good thing. It keeps the economy humming. It enables sales tax to rise in local communities. What's wrong with that?
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Old 12-27-2010, 09:11 AM
 
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As previously stated, the only "reform" needed is enforcement and a larger ag visa program. One that requires decent wages, a sponsor and accountibility.
There are other things. However, actually getting to the root cause of illegal immigration means examining the root causes of global wealth disparities. That would mean a MASSIVE global economic restructuring.
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Old 12-27-2010, 09:14 AM
 
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There are other things. However, actually getting to the root cause of illegal immigration means examining the root causes of global wealth disparities. That would mean a MASSIVE global economic restructuring.
Possibly, but American tax payers cannot shoulder the weight of what we are seeing today. The Govt's of Guatemala and Mexico need to step up. That is where the disparity really is.
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Old 12-27-2010, 09:45 AM
 
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Possibly, but American tax payers cannot shoulder the weight of what we are seeing today. The Govt's of Guatemala and Mexico need to step up. That is where the disparity really is.
The thing is that WE set the system in which they can't step up. You do know that's how it works, right? Esp. when it comes to aid. We're the ones who dictate which policies are to be set. If they do meet said benchmarks, then aid is taken away. I suggest you read Planet of Slums by Mike Davis. It goes into much better detail the workings of restructuring and how third world nations are tied to this system.
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Old 12-27-2010, 09:51 AM
 
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That may or not be the case. Basically that's a baseless assumption the total percentage that never applied for a visa.

Again, it's this simplistic argument (which seems to now dominate every facet of politics) that takes nothing else into account that is truly doing harm in our nation.

Immigration reform will be impossible if you simply come from a standpoint of emotion.
Actually reform will be impossible until we secure the border between the USA and Mexico. The fact that at least 12 million have crossed this border illegally should be evidence enough for most.
We don't know how many applied for a VISA because we have no idea what the actual number of illegals are.
Another thing is that we don't know the impact of enforcing our laws on agriculture will be. How can we? We don't know that any cost savings are passed on to the consumer. How do farms operate without illegals in some areas and not others? How do some resturants function without illegals? Yet to hear the pro illegal crowd we would all starve.
How do some houses get built without illegal labor?
My favorite is when the pro-side claims that no one will cut my grass without illegals. Well I have been cutting my own grass my entire life. My tractor did not come equiped with an illegal to drive it.
It really is simple. You can't operate using illegal labor, its against the law.
Any industry that allows itself to be dominated by illegal labor needs to be modified or eliminated.
9% unemployment... I can see some answers to that problem. You want the check here is where you will show up for work on monday morning.
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