Now the farmer lobby groups apparently have "no choice" but to use illegals (illegal immigrants, laws)
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What they mean is they don't want to have to PAY for visas for LEGAL seasonal migrant workers nor follow the steps required to ensure these workers don't just come here legally then STAY here.
Why should they have to? There are plenty of legal citizens here and out of work who should be lining up for these jobs.
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"Since January, California farmers have posted ads for 1,160 farmworker positions open to U.S. citizens and legal residents seeking work.
Only 233 people applied after being linked with the jobs through unemployment offices in California, Texas, Nevada and Arizona. One grower brought on 36 U.S citizens or legal permanent residents. No one else hired any."
Why should they have to? There are plenty of legal citizens here and out of work who should be lining up for these jobs.
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"Since January, California farmers have posted ads for 1,160 farmworker positions open to U.S. citizens and legal residents seeking work.
Only 233 people applied after being linked with the jobs through unemployment offices in California, Texas, Nevada and Arizona. One grower brought on 36 U.S citizens or legal permanent residents. No one else hired any."
If that is true then those farmer followed the law by advertising those jobs to Americans and legal immigrants. If there was no response then their next step would be to use the unlimited H-2A visas for temporary legal foreign workers. There is no excuse for hiring illegal aliens other than greed and convenience to them. The law is the law!
Funny how the pro-illegals keep harping about farmwork when that is probably the only job that many Americans can't or won't do for various reasons. How convenient that they leave out all the other blue collar jobs that illegals are holding that Americans will do. Our entire farmworkers only make up 2% of our entire workforce including those who are doing them illegally.
Since January, California farmers have posted ads for 1,160 farmworker positions open to U.S. citizens and legal residents seeking work.
Only 233 people applied after being linked with the jobs through unemployment offices in California, Texas, Nevada and Arizona. One grower brought on 36 U.S citizens or legal permanent residents.
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In many cases the unemployment pays much more than picking crops. In other cases the unemployed are too old or not physically fit to pick crops.
Per the 2nd quote, its just excuses. There are numerous legal residents sitting on the entitlement ride. They can get partial unemployment and they know it. Under welfare there is an incentive to go to work. Under UI there is not. So here we have millions of legal residents not willing to work these jobs.
If the farmers have no legal residents who are able to work and we take away illegals then whats left? (Maybe we should fix NAFTA (those jobs went to China & India)).Another industry leaves the country. Remember we live in a country based on Capitalism and not Socialism/Communism.
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If there was no response then their next step would be to use the unlimited H-2A visas for temporary legal foreign workers
This visa program is built to fail. The process needs to be streamlined We can go into this direction if they put it on a level playing ground that American citizens follow. How about we remove free housing to start?
Per the 2nd quote, its just excuses. There are numerous legal residents sitting on the entitlement ride. They can get partial unemployment and they know it. Under welfare there is an incentive to go to work. Under UI there is not. So here we have millions of legal residents not willing to work these jobs.
If the farmers have no legal residents who are able to work and we take away illegals then whats left? (Maybe we should fix NAFTA (those jobs went to China & India)).Another industry leaves the country. Remember we live in a country based on Capitalism and not Socialism/Communism.
This visa program is built to fail. The process needs to be streamlined We can go into this direction if they put it on a level playing ground that American citizens follow. How about we remove free housing to start?
What you don't seem to understand is that many Americans are not physically fit or young enough for farmwork. Many don't live in rural areas. Why did you totally ignore my remarks about freeing up jobs that illegals are currently holding that Americans will do for a fair wage? Always harping about farmwork. That's all the pro-illegals have.
I already answered your question that if the farmers advertise for legal immigrants or citizens already living within our borders and they don't get any responses then by law they have to use the H-2A visas. Illegal labor is not an option by law. I wonder how many more times I have to repeat that before it sinks in with some?
What you don't seem to understand is that many Americans are not physically fit or young enough for farmwork. Many don't live in rural areas. Why did you totally ignore my remarks about freeing up jobs that illegals are currently holding that Americans will do for a fair wage? Always harping about farmwork. That's all the pro-illegals have.
Just more excuses. Here's a link to the 2009 data on employment statistics. Your many is not many.
http://www.bls.gov/cps/cpsaat3.pdf (broken link)
Do you expect farms to just pickup and move closer to population centers? How many Americans commute to work for crappy jobs?
There are numerous cities that were rural at one time, but thanks to urban growth those areas are gone as well as the farms that used to be there.
I am not pro-illegal. I expect the govt to enforce the the laws. But each time the R's come into power they remove all the teeth and all the agents to enforce them.
Old H-2A Program, pre-Bush Administration Changes (http://www.fwjustice.org/guestworker-programs/h-2a/pre-2009-h-2a-program - broken link)
Why should they have to? There are plenty of legal citizens here and out of work who should be lining up for these jobs.
Oh, yeah
"Since January, California farmers have posted ads for 1,160 farmworker positions open to U.S. citizens and legal residents seeking work.
Only 233 people applied after being linked with the jobs through unemployment offices in California, Texas, Nevada and Arizona. One grower brought on 36 U.S citizens or legal permanent residents. No one else hired any."
Please watch this video. Mind you, this is not an isolated incident. Thankfully, someone managed to videotape this unethical and anti-American session. Sadly, too many industries have allowed greed to dictate their hiring practices. Consequently, Americans are deliberately being excluded, because employers want the cheapest labor possible, whether legal or illegal. It doesn’t sink much lower than this.
Remember this video the next time someone claims citizens aren’t interested in jobs.
Just more excuses. Here's a link to the 2009 data on employment statistics. Your many is not many.
http://www.bls.gov/cps/cpsaat3.pdf (broken link)
Do you expect farms to just pickup and move closer to population centers? How many Americans commute to work for crappy jobs?
There are numerous cities that were rural at one time, but thanks to urban growth those areas are gone as well as the farms that used to be there.
I am not pro-illegal. I expect the govt to enforce the the laws. But each time the R's come into power they remove all the teeth and all the agents to enforce them.
Old H-2A Program, pre-Bush Administration Changes (http://www.fwjustice.org/guestworker-programs/h-2a/pre-2009-h-2a-program - broken link)
No, not excuses just facts that you cannot stand! Geez, for the third time the farmers have unlimited H-2A visas for temporary, legal immigrant farm workers. Why do you refuse to discuss the other jobs that Americans will do???????????????
In many cases the unemployment pays much more than picking crops. In other cases the unemployed are too old or not physically fit to pick crops. If they don't know Spanish that will be another drawback. You need a reality check as to how these farmers work the system for bigger profits.
I have better idea. How about on those jobs that Americans can and will do that the illegals are fired and replaced by Americans just as long as it is a fair wage to at least the equivilant of what their unemployment pays even if the government has to subsidize it?
Why is that?...all the producers are American; so why would not speaking Spanish be a henderence to any American seeking Farm Labor work?...thats just silly and simply "made-up" with no facts or figures to back it up. Par for the course.
Why is that?...all the producers are American; so why would not speaking Spanish be a henderence to any American seeking Farm Labor work?...thats just silly and simply "made-up" with no facts or figures to back it up. Par for the course.
Because so many farmers hire illegal alien Spanish speakers, that's why. They want the workers to be able to communicate with one another and for there not to be an ethnic clash. How welcomed would you feel if you worked with strictly mono-Chinese speaking co-workers? It is the same reason that you see so many employment ads for bi-lingual workers on other jobs. They want a cohesive workforce and in the public sector to be able to communicate with mono-lingual Spanish speakers who are usually illegals.
The farmers who don't speak Spanish have Spanish speaker supervisors who hire these illegals. The farmers don't care about language they only care about making more money. Same goes for other jobs that illegals hold.
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