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And al queda could very well be mixed among them. Who knows who's coming in. It has got to stop. I watched a show not long ago that estimates 10,000 US citizens were killed at the hands of illegals in this country last year! Now that's 10,000 people, their families and friends that could have been spared if the borders had been secured - as our laws intend. It's absurd to allow this to continue. You have got to seriously question anyone's motive that condons such a ridiculous concept.
more fear-mongering. are we going to repeal the 2nd amendment because of handgun deaths? are we going to start castrating to prevent rape? we do not resort to such extremes, even if it would prevent additional crime, because we understand that pre-emptive crimefighting does not supercede basic human rights. we have a legal system with due process, and that shouldnt change simply because we are scared of a group of people with an illegal immigration status.
If they are illegal then by definition they have all broken the law. So your argument that only a few have broken the law is inherently flawed. They have ALL broken the law.
We're not punishing legals - we are punishing ILLEGALS. There's nothing wrong with that, if we're merely enforcing our laws. We have every right to deport them, even if they did NOT commit a crime.
Of COURSE, we're not going to punish all citizens, or all men, or all legal immigrants - no reason to. That has nothing to do with illegal crime.
what about legal immigrants who commit crimes? are we to punish all legal immigrants as a result? why? simple: it is stupid to punish a whole group of people based on the actions of a few. just because they are "illegal" immigrants doesnt change the logic.
YES IT DOES, GHOST
The mere fact they entered our country ILLEGALLY makes them CRIMINALS.
Law Breakers, whether or not you or they approve of the law are . . . LAW BREAKERS!
Thankfully, no one has the right to "pick and choose" which laws they prefer to honor and respect.
cigarettes are a greater threat to us than illegal aliens.
a citizen, timothy mcvey, carried out a terrorist attack. even the 9/11 hijackers all had visas at one point.
andrea yates killed her 4 children. shes also a citizen.
wheres the outrage and fear of our own citizen populace? they obviously show the same potential, if not worse, for violent crime.
A point that no one in this forum is arguing against.
We have people in this country who are evil, deviant, and fully capable of committing the vilest crimes against their fellow citizens with impugnity.
Why in the name of all that is sane, do we want to import more?
It is hard to fathom how anyone could bury an axe in the head of an innocent nine-year-old boy, but that was the unimaginable fate of Jordin Paulder of Fulton County, Georgia, on June 5. The killer was "Honduran native" Santos Benigno Cabrera Borjas.
Three children were playing in the parking lot of the Chastain Apartments in Sandy Springs early Monday evening when a red car with a wobbly wheel drove through. Jordin Paulder, a 9-year-old boy with chubby cheeks, called out to the car's passengers to tell them of the bad tire. Jordin didn't mean to insult anybody, he just thought they should know, witnesses told police.
But the car stopped. A man got out and slammed an ax into Jordin's face. Emergency workers were afraid to remove the ax during the helicopter flight to Children's Healthcare of Atlanta at Scottish Rite hospital, where Jordin died.
http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/northfulton/stories/0607metax.html (broken link)6/7/06, Atlanta Journal-Constitution
If there is another case of someone being murdered because of possibly reporting an illegal alien to the authorities, I don't know of it. That fact makes this crime uniquely shocking, as well as how a 40-year-old actress, Adrienne Shelly, was killed in a situation disguised to look like suicide. But what was really being hidden was the immigration status of the killer.
"I was having a bad day," illegal immigrant Diego Pillco, 19, allegedly told cops. "I didn't mean to kill her. But I did kill her." Pillco told detectives that he punched Shelly, 40, last Wednesday afternoon outside the Abingdon Square apartment she was using as an office after she yelled at him about the noise he was making while working in a vacant apartment below. [...]
After seeing she was unconscious and believing she was dead, Pillco claimed, he dragged Shelly into her apartment, wrapped a bed sheet around her neck and attached it to a shower rod in the bathroom to make it appear she had hanged herself, sources said.
Shelly was discovered hanged in the shower of her Greenwich Village apartment/office on Nov. 1 by her husband Andy Ostroy. Police originally thought she might have been a suicide, but the family objected that her life was going too well for that, plus a sneaker print in the bathtub was from a stranger.
Adrienne Shelly had everything to live for. She had become more interested in writing and directing, and was looking forward to the release of her film "Waitress." She had a 3-year-old daughter, Sophie.
But her life meant nothing to an illegal alien who would do anything to protect himself. Diego Pillco, a 19-year-old illegal immigrant who had been renovating the apartment below Shelly's office, told cops in a chilling confession that he was afraid of getting arrested and deported, sources said. [Killer staged her 'suicide', New York Daily News, 10/6/06] New York City's Hometown Newspaper - NY Daily News (http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/469037p-394681c.html - broken link)
To be clear, the medical examiner said that Shelly died from "compression to the neck" meaning she was alive when Diego Pillco hanged her to prevent her reporting him to immigration agents.
These are only two of the numerous victims of illegal alien crime. I doubt that it gives their family much comfort to know that there are citizen criminals within the U.S. capable of committing the same attrocities. All they know is that their loved ones would still be alive if our sovereign laws were enforced and these criminal aliens had never been allowed into the country.
Leave it to Ghost to use our "legal due process" in defense of people with an "illegal" status. It is mind-numbing to see how you twist and tangle your points throughout this forum.
everybody punished under US jurisdiction is granted due process, habeus corpus, etc.
ill concede that all illegal immigrants are criminals when you all concede that their anchor babies are legal citizens, and neither law should be changed.
because it is stupid to punish a whole group of people based on the actions of a few.
If by "whole group" you ar referring to everyone who is here illegally, then they SHOULD be held to the standards of our law, every last one of them. At some point, you are going to have to let it sink in that these people have no business being here.
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