I want every single illegal gone.....yesterday (2015, visa, NAFTA)
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In my opinion it still doesn't matter. Illegal based on our current laws is illegal, no different than committing a crime of any sort that's illegal - you get punished. Since an illegal alien has no rights in the U.S., can't really punish them other than send them back to their country. Let them return the legal way, with whatever system is in place at the time. Just like everybody getting all huffy with Trump winning the electoral college and not the popular vote. It's the system in place and he won with that system.
I hear you, but my view would be the reasonable middle ground where America doesn't lose a penny.
The giant statue was the place where you had to pass your medical. No TB and such.
There was also no social programs/welfare then that allowed those thst failed to remain here in failure.
I will buy your high and mighty view for America if you agree to cut off all services and monies for anyone or any children not here with an American citizen or legal resident parent.
That conditional does nothing to change my argument. I am implying that the reason people like you can afford to eat at all is because slave wages make it affordable.
So why don't you agree to pay $6,000 more on every grocery bill and then get back to me with your justifications for mass deportation.
Who is going to actually work for free in the fields so that we don't pay market price for food?
And the other question is, what are we going to do about that giant statue in the Atlantic just off NYC? It seems somewhat hypocritical to keep it there.
I have worked in the fields for our country's food. Many long hard days for little pay. But hey, it's a job.
I don't care about "that statue" as much as I do about the rule of law, so I am a bad person to ask that.
That conditional does nothing to change my argument. I am implying that the reason people like you can afford to eat at all is because slave wages make it affordable.
So why don't you agree to pay $6,000 more on every grocery bill and then get back to me with your justifications for mass deportation.
Your figure is wildly exaggerated.
Around here (an agricultural area), employers bring in lots of Mexicans (some legal, some not). It costs them quite a bit of money to do so. That money could easily be spent on hiring locals to do the work, but the employers are stuck in a rut: they just want to do the same old thing they've done every year for the last ten or fifteen years (often it's the same workers coming back year after year).
Of course, it will help make the transition if the government starts to tell layabouts that they MUST work these jobs, unless they want to live in abject poverty (by cutting social assistance payments in half). No more 45 inch TVs just for going to mailbox to get your check.......get out there and drive that truck or harvest those crops or work in that packing house.
It is? Because you said so, or do you have any facts and figures?
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Around here (an agricultural area), employers bring in lots of Mexicans (some legal, some not). It costs them quite a bit of money to do so. That money could easily be spent on hiring locals to do the work, but the employers are stuck in a rut: they just want to do the same old thing they've done every year for the last ten or fifteen years (often it's the same workers coming back year after year).
Interesting. Can you you cite some evidence to support these anecdotal assertions?
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Of course, it will help make the transition if the government starts to tell layabouts that they MUST work these jobs, unless they want to live in abject poverty (by cutting social assistance payments in half). No more 45 inch TVs just for going to mailbox to get your check.......get out there and drive that truck or harvest those crops or work in that packing house.
Wow. you really hate the poor, it seems. Are your sure that "layabouts" all have 45-inch TVs and are capable of working in the fields, as you claim to?
Sounds a lot like plantation days to me. Is that part of the MAGA dream?
Who is going to actually work for free in the fields so that we don't pay market price for food?
And the other question is, what are we going to do about that giant statue in the Atlantic just off NYC? It seems somewhat hypocritical to keep it there.
First of all, farmers have an agricultural visa program available to them that has no caps on it. No one works "for free in the fields". The cost of produce won't go up like you fear.
As for the Statue of Liberty---what is on the statue is not the law. As a nation, we have the right to decide just whom we allow into our country. Also, back when the statue was erected, we were largely an agrarian and industrial society. Many of the immigrants that arrived during that time (as well as many Americans) were illiterate. Factory and farm work were unskilled jobs. Also, there was no welfare. Both immigrants and Americans knew that it was either sink or swim, as there was no social safety net.
It is? Because you said so, or do you have any facts and figures?
Interesting. Can you you cite some evidence to support these anecdotal assertions?
Wow. you really hate the poor, it seems. Are your sure that "layabouts" all have 45-inch TVs and are capable of working in the fields, as you claim to?
Sounds a lot like plantation days to me. Is that part of the MAGA dream?
You can do your own research, can't you?
As for "the poor" --- Illegals have taken many unskilled jobs that Americans will do. Illegals have no business being here---let alone displacing and undercutting wages for poor Americans.
Most illegals aren't working in the fields in fact only 2% of them are. Also, there are unlimited visas for legal, foreign workers for those types of jobs. All other blue-collared jobs Americans were already doing for a fair wage until millions of cheap, illegal workers flooded our border to make the rich, richer.
The growers pass little to nothing on to the consumer in the way of cheaper produce. They just pocket the profits and then pass their enormous social costs on to we the taxpayer. The produce that illegals pick are no bargain when you factor that in. 2% picking crops is only a drop in the bucket anyway.
First of all, farmers have an agricultural visa program available to them that has no caps on it. No one works "for free in the fields". The cost of produce won't go up like you fear.
As for the Statue of Liberty---what is on the statue is not the law. As a nation, we have the right to decide just whom we allow into our country. Also, back when the statue was erected, we were largely an agrarian and industrial society. Many of the immigrants that arrived during that time (as well as many Americans) were illiterate. Factory and farm work were unskilled jobs. Also, there was no welfare. Both immigrants and Americans knew that it was either sink or swim, as there was no social safety net.
I would only add that the poem on the Statue of Liberty says to come through the Golden Door not the back door like a thief in the night. That poem does not negate our modern day immigration laws either. As far as I am concerned they can tear the thing down as it means nothing in today's different world and changing times. Tired of it being used as excuse for unlimited immigration both legally and illegally.
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