Multiculturalism: One American woman's story (laws, deportation, work, border)
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Stronger Macho culture? No. Again it depends on the group of people that you are talking about. Money and power influences things a lot. American Bikers (typically lower on the socio-economic scale) are more "macho" than a typical middle class Mexican family. Machismo depends on, again, more external factors. Treating culture as if it is an intrinsic attibute is downright wrong. It discounts the ability of people to morph, and also does not acknowledge the differences/inequalities of wealth and power.
Yes, the immigration from Mexico is massive. With that said, so were previous immigration waves. Relative to the percentage of the population, the Irish immigration was slightly LARGER. The same for the German immigrants. Many of the same arguments arose during time (lack of asimiliation, lack of a "refined" culture, poverty). However, our nation survived. Much of due to workers reform, reform in civil rights, reform in education policies...that not only benefitted immigrants, but "Anglo" Americans as well.
We are facing a problem in which greed has all but ruined our nation. The economic situation was made by consumers, bankers, politicians...and now is the perfect time to take stock and reevaluate what is important for our nation. In order to alleviate poverty along the border, why not provide incentive pay for teachers to stay in schools there (currently having the highest turnover rate for teachers). Why not provide more IB/AP classes to challenge the students (studies show that one of the major complaints of low performing schools is that there are no challenging courses and that there are no resources to help them in these courses.) These students feel discounted and essentially left out of the fray. Income disparity is partly socially constructed. Typically a person will roughly be in the same class as their parents. Social mobility is a thing of the past, however it does have to be. Why not have more outreach programs for universities towards low income students? Cheaper tuition for all. Maybe this might help in assimilation, since studies show that immigrants with higher education levels feel more integrated in society.
There are millions of Americans in poverty. They don't feel assimilated into American society as well. Typically the sentiment is that they feel as outsiders in their country. In a time where "The OC" and "The Hills" dictate what reality is, these people feel as if they are not apart of what society is. The truth of the matter is, social and economic inequality inhibits one ability to integrate into mainstream society.
If we institute programs that help our nations poor, I guarantee you a more integrated society.
Mexicans do wish to be American, without losing their identity. The interesting thing about this immigration wave is that, well, many were already in the SW before it became apart of America. We share a border and a common culture. Cowboys of the SW. As time progresses, we need to remember that people are culturally and socially shaped by environment, not anything intrinsic.
Two quick notes here:
#1: more and more; us Americans do not want illegal aliens-------Mexican or not. They are nothing but losers.
#2: what is so bad about assimilating as Americans---------which means kissing most of one's ancestral culture goodbye? Flip side: God knows legal immigrants to Mexico are expected to become Mexican--------------and, rightly so.
Again: multiculturalism is a crock of 'you know what'.
Great...so let's take these millions of Mexican illegals, and treat 'em like we did the Irish....we'll move them into ghettos, make fun of them, and write cartoons about them, and make jokes about their 'silly, foreign culture'. Meanwhile, from their festering, overcrowded tenements, those who survive the cholera and typhoid epidemics will be free to fan out across the country to make their living among the millions of unskilled, illiterate 'grunts' who currently labor in our steel mills, or our coal mines, or who dig our canals, or lay our railroad track. Surely there MUST be plenty of 'positions' available for an enterprising illegal in those vibrant 'fields'? At any rate, one would HOPE so, because, when we're treating them "like The Irish", of course, that means virtually NO social services..'sink or swim', just like in 1870..right?
Should work fine, I'd think. The illegals can 'make their fortune', by providing us the multiple millions of 'bodies' we need to operate our industries. And we'll benefit, too, because we'll be able to 'haze the newbies', tease them, mock them, and FORCE them into assimilating into American culture..just like we did to The Irish....and the Italians, Poles, Chinese, and Greeks back in "those days".
That's what we did with the Irish and the Italians, isn't it? And didn't they all turn out just 'fine'?
Sounds like a 'win-win' to me, for sure.....
As you stated.
Harsh but effective.
The difference today is the USA is indeed much more humanistic---------which entails much stricter controls on our borders.
One big reason that New Zealand, Switzerland, Sweden, hell, any other First World countries are that way is in large part due to 'harsh' enforcement of its immigration laws------------illegals need not apply.
Frosty Wooldridge said in the article: "My friend, legal immigrant and compelling Californian, Haydee Pavia said, “People are calling a ham sandwich racist these days.”"
I would imagine that most people, including most politically left leaning individuals, would say "This is ridiculous."
What "multiculturalism" means depends on what the speaker means by it.
Frosty Wooldridge said in the article: "In our American culture this is called “pedophilia.” Not so in Mexican culture."
Legally it can be defined as pedophilia. Clinically it is not pedophilia; pedophilia clinically is always an attraction to a person who has not undergone puberty yet.
Read the second part...the workers movement occurred during the time of immigration, so did the push towards public schooling, and also the push to reduce children in factories. These social movements also helped the immigrants the America as well as native born Americans.
A push towards parity of education and health will further aid Mexicans, as well as native born Americans.
I'm not reading you here....you want to treat today's illegals just like the 'legals' 150 years ago...or you don't? You want to bring them into a rough, hostile, 'dog-eat-dog', sink-or-swim situation....or you want them to come in, but 'benefit' from the reforms we've built? You want to put their children to work in factories (like the Irish)...or you want to "educate" the kiddies in public school?
You can't have it both ways...they should be 'treated like the Irish', or they shouldn't.....and they're either "just like earlier immigrants", or they're not....and we can either let them "shift for themselves", or we can offer massive social support....
But we can't have it both ways....and because we "survived" the disruption of EARLIER mass immigration means little today. We "survived" segregation, too...and child labor...and the 80-hour work week....and a Civil War....and numerous riots, epidemics, and workers being maimed by industrial accidents and left "on their own". We 'survived' all that...but so WHAT? Do you propose we "invite" more problems, because we'll probably 'survive' them?
We 'survived' polio...and the Great Depression, too. Care for a re-play?
MOST perplexing, it seems, is that you want ALL THIS for legal immigrants...and if they come in ILLEGALLY, ANYWAY..you figure that's 'OK', too...and they should maybe just apologize?...smile and say 'I'm sorry'?....and then we just give them all AMNESTY? I think you're asking an AWFUL lot here.....
I'm not reading you here....you want to treat today's illegals just like the 'legals' 150 years ago...or you don't? You want to bring them into a rough, hostile, 'dog-eat-dog', sink-or-swim situation....or you want them to come in, but 'benefit' from the reforms we've built? You want to put their children to work in factories (like the Irish)...or you want to "educate" the kiddies in public school?
You can't have it both ways...they should be 'treated like the Irish', or they shouldn't.....and they're either "just like earlier immigrants", or they're not....and we can either let them "shift for themselves", or we can offer massive social support....
But we can't have it both ways....and because we "survived" the disruption of EARLIER mass immigration means little today. We "survived" segregation, too...and child labor...and the 80-hour work week....and a Civil War....and numerous riots, epidemics, and workers being maimed by industrial accidents and left "on their own". We 'survived' all that...but so WHAT? Do you propose we "invite" more problems, because we'll probably 'survive' them?
We 'survived' polio...and the Great Depression, too. Care for a re-play?
MOST perplexing, it seems, is that you want ALL THIS for legal immigrants...and if they come in ILLEGALLY, ANYWAY..you figure that's 'OK', too...and they should maybe just apologize?...smile and say 'I'm sorry'?....and then we just give them all AMNESTY? I think you're asking an AWFUL lot here.....
I couldn’t agree more. He expects those who illegally reside in this country to be accorded the same rights and privileges as those who chose to abide by our laws. I liken it to offering refunds or exchanges to shoplifters. I’m sorry, but there is a right way and a wrong way to enter this country; and illegal aliens have chosen the wrong way. Thus, we owe them nothing.
2009 - 1848 = ??? Does not compute unless the immigrants were desert tortoises which can live to almost 200 years old.
There are many things that are similar...this is the main point of what historians try to do. In a previous post you mentioned that a poster should read up on his/her history. So this point is mentioning that there are similar historical precedents.
#1: more and more; us Americans do not want illegal aliens-------Mexican or not. They are nothing but losers.
#2: what is so bad about assimilating as Americans---------which means kissing most of one's ancestral culture goodbye? Flip side: God knows legal immigrants to Mexico are expected to become Mexican--------------and, rightly so.
Again: multiculturalism is a crock of 'you know what'.
2 quick notes
#1: Well, more and more people WANT reform so there is a method that addresses the increased immigration.
#2: Assimilation leads to stagnation and group think. It's important for a group to have diversity of thought. Flip side: Legal American migrants to Mexico speak English, live with other Americans, and are really living their version of America...in Mexico.
Again: It's dumb to simplify the answers to Latin quotations and simply saying "multiculturalism is B.S."
There are many things that are similar...this is the main point of what historians try to do. In a previous post you mentioned that a poster should read up on his/her history. So this point is mentioning that there are similar historical precedents.
Why not just reduce this to the ridiculous. We can capture as many illegal aliens as possible and reinstate slavery. They can work the plantations and the plantation owners can provide their room and board. We won’t permit them to receive an education, which will reduce our educational deficits tremendously. There will be no need for tax-funded freebies because the slave owners will assume 100% responsibility for them. How’s that for an historical precedent?
I'm not reading you here....you want to treat today's illegals just like the 'legals' 150 years ago...or you don't? You want to bring them into a rough, hostile, 'dog-eat-dog', sink-or-swim situation....or you want them to come in, but 'benefit' from the reforms we've built? You want to put their children to work in factories (like the Irish)...or you want to "educate" the kiddies in public school?
You can't have it both ways...they should be 'treated like the Irish', or they shouldn't.....and they're either "just like earlier immigrants", or they're not....and we can either let them "shift for themselves", or we can offer massive social support....
But we can't have it both ways....and because we "survived" the disruption of EARLIER mass immigration means little today. We "survived" segregation, too...and child labor...and the 80-hour work week....and a Civil War....and numerous riots, epidemics, and workers being maimed by industrial accidents and left "on their own". We 'survived' all that...but so WHAT? Do you propose we "invite" more problems, because we'll probably 'survive' them?
We 'survived' polio...and the Great Depression, too. Care for a re-play?
MOST perplexing, it seems, is that you want ALL THIS for legal immigrants...and if they come in ILLEGALLY, ANYWAY..you figure that's 'OK', too...and they should maybe just apologize?...smile and say 'I'm sorry'?....and then we just give them all AMNESTY? I think you're asking an AWFUL lot here.....
I guess my point in all this is that we changed and adapted to the situation in the past...why not now?
I guess my point in all this is that we changed and adapted to the situation in the past...why not now?
Why should we have to “change” and “adapt” for those who reside in this country illegally? If someone broke into your house, would you feel compelled to accommodate them? The U.S. is OUR HOUSE!
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