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Take this "country" back? Since when does a few states constitute the entire country? Are these little reconquistas going to pay back the 15 million and the debts owed by Mexico to the U.S. government at the time plus appreciation? I would love to see them try! Let the spark ignite. They would be no match for the U.S. military.
No one has a right to a better life by stealing from others and/or violating laws no matter what their excuse is. Former ownership is what it is....former.
Well, since i am not racist, and have known personally quite a few of them, I can tell you this much. They just want a better life, and broke 1 law to achieve it. They did this instead of waiting years to do it legally. Cards are easily copied, which is another law they have broken. So for 2 laws broken, theyy can work, live and try to have a life they would not had ever had. Think for them it was worth it? Hell, Americans break more laws than that, on average, just driving home from work.
The race card does not work on me. The cold reality is that most illegal aliens happen to be Spanish speaking Mestizos.
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and if they EVER want to take this country back, speaking of AZ, TX, NM,which were all part of Mexico once upon a time,,all they would have to do is declare it, by force. Because the vast majority are armed, some to the teeth. And even then, one would have to wonder about the miillions of "legal" Mexican American citizens that would stand by and watch their former fellow countrymen be slaughtered.
Looking at the way Mexico is imploding courtesy of the drug wars, you are far off the mark. If anything; we (the USA) will wind up with ownership of even more of Mexico by default. Google Juarez and blue helmets.
Besides: where is Mexico's ire over losing Guatemala ca. 1830?
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I have a strange feeling that what most radicals want, they will eventually get. All it would take, is the spark. Innocent lives lost. Probably children or women.
So sleep well, Bear. Your government, will take care of you.
More and more: the putative 'radicals' are regular Americans; hostility is growing against illegal aliens and their enablers. Remember those idiotic illegal 'immigrants' rights' marches of May 2006? Well; many people who were formerly sympathetic towards the plight of the campesinos (including myself) are now angry. Just remember: the USA; slow to anger, once provoked----------look out!
Just accept the fact that your side lost the battle of public opinion.
Well, since i am not racist, and have known personally quite a few of them, I can tell you this much. They just want a better life, and broke 1 law to achieve it. They did this instead of waiting years to do it legally. Cards are easily copied, which is another law they have broken. So for 2 laws broken, theyy can work, live and try to have a life they would not had ever had. Think for them it was worth it? Hell, Americans break more laws than that, on average, just driving home from work.
and if they EVER want to take this country back, speaking of AZ, TX, NM,which were all part of Mexico once upon a time,,all they would have to do is declare it, by force. Because the vast majority are armed, some to the teeth. And even then, one would have to wonder about the miillions of "legal" Mexican American citizens that would stand by and watch their former fellow countrymen be slaughtered.
I have a strange feeling that what most radicals want, they will eventually get. All it would take, is the spark. Innocent lives lost. Probably children or women.
So sleep well, Bear. Your government, will take care of you.
And you are insisting that tens of millions of people could not work for a better life in their own country?
You're right of course because the better life they talk about does not mean taking personal responsibility, staying in school, avoiding having children by age 14 or 15 and limiting family size to the number of children they could afford.
Yes - if they were to do any of that, they would become part of the growing middle class of their own country.
Better life also doesn't mean learning English or becoming a real part of American society, bothering with laws and anything like that.
Better life means big money, government handouts, all the material things they see the USA as being about and that's that.
Take this "country" back? Since when does a few states constitute the entire country? Are these little reconquistas going to pay back the 15 million and the debts owed by Mexico to the U.S. government at the time plus appreciation? I would love to see them try! Let the spark ignite. They would be no match for the U.S. military.
No one has a right to a better life by stealing from others and/or violating laws no matter what their excuse is. Former ownership is what it is....former.
They won't even take their own country back from the cartels that are now ruining it. They will take food stamps, Medicaid, jobs that pay more than jobs in their own country -- but that's about it.
If they were about improving anything, they'd want to improve their own communities back home. They wave their flags around like they really care about their country and talk of their nationalist pride but they are perfectly willing to abandon their country and never build it into anything. In fact with Mexico in a crisis, that many more intend to run away from it.
They won't even take their own country back from the cartels that are now ruining it. They will take food stamps, Medicaid, jobs that pay more than jobs in their own country -- but that's about it.
If they were about improving anything, they'd want to improve their own communities back home. They wave their flags around like they really care about their country and talk of their nationalist pride but they are perfectly willing to abandon their country and never build it into anything. In fact with Mexico in a crisis, that many more intend to run away from it.
Besides as one member pointed out why aren't the Mexicans trying to take back Guatamala then? It has been asked over and over in here but not one pro-illegal has answered that question.
Besides as one member pointed out why aren't the Mexicans trying to take back Guatamala then? It has been asked over and over in here but not one pro-illegal has answered that question.
I was that poster.
Frankly; if say the UK took Guatemala away 150 years ago and built it up into a socioeconomic powerhouse but our Southwest was independent yet poor----------I will guarantee that the la raza types would be screaming about how they were robbed and wanted Guat back and have little/no interest in the latter territory, etc.
And you are insisting that tens of millions of people could not work for a better life in their own country?
In many cases they would have to make a tremendous effort in order to do so - Immigrating illegally becomes easier in many ways than working to change the status quo in some countries.
In many cases they would have to make a tremendous effort in order to do so - Immigrating illegally becomes easier in many ways than working to change the status quo in some countries.
Then they better get used to living in the shadows, being treated as 2nd class citizens and quit whining about deportations. Americans are sick of the carp. We want the cancer removed.
There were the pro-Latino organizations which glossed over the problems of immigration in the attempt to help a community for which they cared very deeply. It was advocacy politics where the activists of the raza had an emotional stake in the argument and so would perform any intellectual contortion to rationalize and or apologize for the many problems in the immigrant Latino communities.
So apparently the whining isn't really done by the illegals themselves, but by these pro-Latino groups who are so emotionally involved.
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And then you had the unhappy Latino activists yelling angrily about the "racist" country they lived in and who carried Mexican flags during public protest marches. They seemed to say that anybody from any other country should be able to come to the United States if they wanted and that foreign citizen immigrants should be able to vote in American elections, which seemed to me clearly ridiculous. As if a person could simply sneak across the border and rightfully claim to be a part of the family of the United States!
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Then they better get used to living in the shadows, being treated as 2nd class citizens and quit whining about deportations. Americans are sick of the carp. We want the cancer removed.
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