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Old 04-23-2010, 02:27 PM
 
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Let's admit it...
Those who are anti-illegal will find 10,20,30 arguments favoring the law...

Those who are pro-illegal will find 10,20,30 arguments against the law...
But the people of AZ favour the law by a supermajority...70-30...

It must become the law of that state,
like lawlessness is the law in CA...

The pro-illegal cannot have it their way in both states...
The only argument I've heard against this bill is the 4th Amendment. Seems like a good argument

 
Old 04-23-2010, 02:29 PM
 
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Explain, you are not making sense.
Am too!
 
Old 04-23-2010, 02:30 PM
 
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1. I hope this law passes.

2. I'm going to get a tan (I'm half Mexican anyway)

3. I'm heading to Arizona.

4. I'll drive a truck with a bull on the side that says Jalisco on the back.

5. Get pulled over.

6. Give the cops lip.

7. Get beaten.

8. Collect lawsuit money.

Fin
How do you figure this? Do you think cops there will simply go "there is them there spics, get em" or do you think that they will have process to obtain probable cause to such?

If you think they will be discriminatory, then I hope you like wasting a lot of gas, because that is what you will be doing. Though there are groups who would love to prosecute you for such waste concerning the environment, do you contest them as well?
 
Old 04-23-2010, 02:32 PM
 
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There is certainly some room for police to take action that's not necessarily reasonable. I would think think they would have probable cause if they attempt to make a traffic stop and the person flees. If they arrive someplace to check out an employer or even as a customer and employees hide, then that sounds like probable cause. There will be some that abuse it just like there are some that abuse other laws. It will be the same ones. I think most police are good people, and I don't think most police have the time or the inclination to randomly pull over all the people with brown skin in the state of Arizona.
Running away from the police is reasonable clause, you get no argument from me. Good example. Besides that, I see no other examples of reasonable clause regarding violating immigration laws. If you can think of I'm all ears.
 
Old 04-23-2010, 02:32 PM
 
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Am too!
Oh I fully understand now.

Seriously, or you going to explain or do I have to chalk you up as an idiot who can't not explain themselves?
 
Old 04-23-2010, 02:33 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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How do you figure this? Do you think cops there will simply go "there is them there spics, get em" or do you think that they will have process to obtain probable cause to such?

If you think they will be discriminatory, then I hope you like wasting a lot of gas, because that is what you will be doing. Though there are groups who would love to prosecute you for such waste concerning the environment, do you contest them as well?
The governor just signed the bill. Now we can see what the White House does about it. It might be interesting to see what propaganda they throw around to convince people that it was bad.
 
Old 04-23-2010, 02:34 PM
 
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How do you figure this? Do you think cops there will simply go "there is them there spics, get em" or do you think that they will have process to obtain probable cause to such?
16 pages of responses and I've only heard one example in which cops can use as probable cause for questioning someone's immigration status, running away or fleeing the police. Short of doing that, any search is unconstitional. If you can think of another example, I'll acknowledge it, just as I acknowledged the other example given.
 
Old 04-23-2010, 02:35 PM
 
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Oh I fully understand now.

Seriously, or you going to explain or do I have to chalk you up as an idiot who can't not explain themselves?
Just take a look in a mirror!

Works for me.
 
Old 04-23-2010, 02:35 PM
 
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The governor just signed the bill. Now we can see what the White House does about it. It might be interesting to see what propaganda they throw around to convince people that it was bad.
What I don't get is that if this law is so "bad", certainly one could point to the specifics of the law and make their case. None here are doing that, which leads me to believe they are talking our of their arse. Something that is all too common these days.
 
Old 04-23-2010, 02:37 PM
 
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Just take a look in a mirror!

Works for me.
Again, you haven't explained. Sorry, your argument is invalid.
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