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I'm not worried. Your worry appears to be based on "what ifs."
"What if" is fundamental to anything that can deemed a probably cause. Several years ago, I was invited by a friend and met someone from an Asian country. Since he was new, I helped this person with errands at times. A few weeks later, I learn, he was here illegally and had disappeared (my friend didn't know that either).
Under AZ law, that would be construed a crime. Be careful what you wish for (almost tempted to reuse the quote).
Let us say you're on a trip with your family, maintaining your business, following the rules. Then, patrol car comes behind you, flashing its lights. The cop has the probable cause that you're not a citizen, have committed a crime, whatever, and has the right to arrest you on the spot. All would be fine with you, I suppose, because it is the law.
Well now, that would fall under how the deterrmination of probable cause was made which is about the way it's enforced, not the way it's written, so it's consistent with my point.
"What if" is fundamental to anything that can deemed a probably cause. Several years ago, I was invited by a friend and met someone from an Asian country. Since he was new, I helped this person with errands at times. A few weeks later, I learn, he was here illegally and had disappeared (my friend didn't know that either).
Under AZ law, that would be construed a crime. Be careful what you wish for (almost tempted to reuse the quote).
The only thing I'm wishing for is a set of Vance & Hines Power Duals. And if you fear arrest for what you described, then I'll group you with the paranoid rightwingers who think Obama is taking our guns away.
Why did you not respond to the remainder of my post?
So what happens if you don't have a passpport with you. What happens if you are walking and don't have a drivers license or id? This sounds like a movement towards a mandatory national ID card. Sounds like Fascism to me.
What happens? You are taken into custody until means can be taken to properly identify you.
Were you aware (and I only speak from California Law as I have been certified) that if you are unable to identify yourself in the process of a violation, I can take you in and hold you until proper verification can be made?
You probably didn't know that did you? Makes you think about driving without identification doesn't it? The point is, if you can not properly be identified, it is reasonable for the officer to detain you until he can.
Most officers if you do not have such verification will accept a number or the like to process you on any infraction. Consider it a courtesy of their judgment and their responsibility for letting you go on without proper identification.
Other than that, they have every right to be able to identify you as a citizen or an operator of the vehicle you operate.
It's hypocritical to say that you are for freedom and the Constitution, yet you feel the government has a right to stop you people and demand proof of their citizenship. I thought in the US everyone is presumed innocent until proven guilty. This bill assumes the opposite.
They are, and you are innocent until you can prove you are not. This is not an admission of guilt when held, it is a process of information. To think they should simply let you go when you can not identify yourself is absurd when it concerns a violation.
They are, and you are innocent until you can prove you are not. This is not an admission of guilt when held, it is a process of information. To think they should simply let you go when you can not identify yourself is absurd when it concerns a violation.
What - anti coma laws?
If you're not in a coma, you should be able to identify yourself without papers.
Like, you could use someone's rear view mirror to verify who you are.
What happens? You are taken into custody until means can be taken to properly identify you.
Were you aware (and I only speak from California Law as I have been certified) that if you are unable to identify yourself in the process of a violation, I can take you in and hold you until proper verification can be made?
You probably didn't know that did you? Makes you think about driving without identification doesn't it? The point is, if you can not properly be identified, it is reasonable for the officer to detain you until he can.
Most officers if you do not have such verification will accept a number or the like to process you on any infraction. Consider it a courtesy of their judgment and their responsibility for letting you go on without proper identification.
Other than that, they have every right to be able to identify you as a citizen or an operator of the vehicle you operate.
It has become apparent that many on here don't understand the bill in question and the constitution. Not only must you show identification, but you also must prove citizenship. I have no problem with law enforcements asking for identification if they have observed you breaking a law or have a valid reason to believe you have broken a law. This bill, in order to effectively round up illegal immigrants must target people whom the police "suspect" of being illegal immigrants. How can someone be suspect to being an illegal immigrant? Unless you are caught jumping the border, there is no other reasonable cause. Therefore in order for a legal search to occur, it would violate the reasonable clause. You keep on harping on the driving aspect. This bill allows the police to question anyone, not just drivers. You can be in your home or walking down the street. Read up on it.
Many laws allow police to take action if they have probable cause. This law is no different. The reason for determining probable cause will vary in each case, just like with other laws. The law is not unconstitutional. If police are determined to be unreasonable in their determination of probable cause, then their action (questioning, detaining etc.) can be thrown out because they had insufficient probable cause. This already happens in courts across the country.
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