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Old 03-23-2015, 11:47 AM
 
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If they have a Gas stove they use a hot plate.
Does that mean they leave the gas stove on all night?

Maybe I don't understand what a 'hot plate' is.
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Old 03-23-2015, 11:59 AM
 
Location: The Ranch in Olam Haba
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Does that mean they leave the gas stove on all night?

Maybe I don't understand what a 'hot plate' is.
In the gas stove, the pilot light is on but the flames from the top are not.

The family most likely used something like this:

IMUSA Electric Single Burner - 1100 Watts : Target

Rather than something like this:

Amazon.com | GForce GF-P1021-988 Luxury Shabbat Aluminum Top Warming Plate Blech With Enamel Coating 300 Watts - CE Certified Product: Home & Kitchen, Kitchen & Dining, Cookware, Specialty Cookware, Chafing Dishes
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Old 03-23-2015, 01:12 PM
 
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Do some Orthodox Jews actually turn on an electric hot plate and leave it on from Friday evening until Saturday evening?

If so, that means it is on when people are sleeping Friday night.
When we don't use a blech which is an aluminum covering on top of the stove, we use a hot plate. Hot plates are cooking and warming devices intended to be used without anybody having to stand over it or next to it. So to say "how can anybody leave a hot plate on unattended" is ridiculous. They were invented for that purpose. Plug them in, place your pot on top of it, and do whatever you need to do. They're great for working moms who can put up their dinner in the morning and have them piping hot, ready to serve, as soon as they come home, same as a griddle.

Griddle is synonymous with hot plate. There are also plattas (Israeli made) which don't have temperature controls. Electrical fires don't only happen with hot plates.

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Old 03-23-2015, 03:06 PM
 
Location: Logan Township, Minnesota
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It is not only Orthodox Jews that leave hot plates on for extended periods of times. We often use one as a potpourri heater and leave it on for several days at a time.

We are not even Jewish, that does not mean we do not use similar devices that we believe to be and expect to be safe.

This is a tragedy, probably caused by a faulty electrical appliance, not because of a religious practice.
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Old 03-23-2015, 03:14 PM
 
Location: The Ranch in Olam Haba
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It is not only Orthodox Jews that leave hot plates on for extended periods of times. We often use one as a potpourri heater and leave it on for several days at a time.

We are not even Jewish, that does not mean we do not use similar devices that we believe to be and expect to be safe.

This is a tragedy, probably caused by a faulty electrical appliance, not because of a religious practice.
Of the two links I supplied, which one is yours similar too?
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Old 03-23-2015, 03:36 PM
 
Location: Logan Township, Minnesota
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Of the two links I supplied, which one is yours similar too?

I would say it is like a small version to the second one.

This is what we use for a potpourri warmer

http://www.amazon.com/Aroma-AHP-303-...e+warmer+plate
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Old 03-23-2015, 03:37 PM
 
Location: The Ranch in Olam Haba
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When we don't use a blech which is an aluminum covering on top of the stove, we use a hot plate. Hot plates are cooking and warming devices intended to be used without anybody having to stand over it or next to it. So to say "how can anybody leave a hot plate on unattended" is ridiculous. They were invented for that purpose. Plug them in, place your pot on top of it, and do whatever you need to do. They're great for working moms who can put up their dinner in the morning and have them piping hot, ready to serve, as soon as they come home, same as a griddle.

Griddle is synonymous with hot plate. There are also plattas (Israeli made) which don't have temperature controls. Electrical fires don't only happen with hot plates.

Who are you trying to to misinform?

Hot plates stay on 25+ hours, it is forbidden to have one that auto shuts off and it's all forbidden to adjust the temperature. But it's normal for the course in the Ultra Orthodox world for individual Rabbis to re-interpret the rules.

Sabbath mode - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The Halakhot of Stove and Oven Use on Shabbat and Yom Tov

And by the way a griddle is an actual cooking surface while a hot plate is used by placing containers on it. Thus a griddle can be used as a hot plate, but most hot plates cannot be used as griddles.
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Old 03-23-2015, 03:40 PM
 
Location: The Ranch in Olam Haba
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I would say it is like a small version to the second one.

This is what we use for a potpourri warmer

http://www.amazon.com/Aroma-AHP-303-...e+warmer+plate
And that configuration will not spark as it's completely sealed.
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Old 03-23-2015, 03:49 PM
 
Location: Logan Township, Minnesota
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And that configuration will not spark as it's completely sealed.
True, it is very safe.
Now as to what the family used, I do not know. but if they used an open coil version, I would attribute it to ignorance, not the fault of a religious practice.
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Old 03-23-2015, 03:58 PM
 
Location: The Ranch in Olam Haba
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True, it is very safe.
Now as to what the family used, I do not know. but if they used an open coil version, I would attribute it to ignorance, not the fault of a religious practice.
Well.....

Appliance That Caused Fatal Brooklyn Fire Commonly Used on Jewish Sabbath
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