I'm so sorry about your governor (Owensboro: insurance, violent crime, school district)

[timberline742]

Originally Posted by OldClothesandSuch

Ill reiterate: the quality of education is not based on cost per pupil, but rather, per capita income.

Where do you get this from?


Outcomes are based on per capita income.


That is decidedly different from the quality of the education.

[CraigCreek]

Originally Posted by otterhere;51670907[B

]Staking out lawmakers' homes[/b] and verbally abusing them is "thug" BEHAVIOR and, yes, it is a mob mentality. Some of their signs were obscene as well. If you want to be seen as and treated like mature professional adults, act like it.

You mean the official Kentucky Governor's Mansion, next to the capitol building in Frankfort? I am not aware that any other "lawmakers" lived there. For that matter, the Bevins are said to spend most of their time in Anchorage, at that big old house that was sold under questionable financial circumstances a year ago.

If teachers are protesting outside of other elected officials' homes, why has this interesting and relevant news not appeared in any Kentucky media that I have seen or heard?

Free speech and verbally protesting is not the same as "verbal abuse". If you're going to hold elective public office in this country, you'd better get used to outspoken constituents among those whom you are supposed to represent.

Voicing one's opposition to an unpopular governmental policy or practice - or leader - is hardly "verbal abuse". My goodness, ever hear of Patrick Henry?? What do you think of his famous speech, directed at King George III? Who wasn't even elected??

If you're so concerned about abuse, why not turn your attention to the illegal financial abuse the teachers and other public employees and retirees have been subjected to in recent years? That's what the protests were about.

[otterhere]

Originally Posted by CraigCreek

You mean the official Kentucky Governor's Mansion, next to the capitol building in Frankfort? I am not aware that any other "lawmakers" lived there. For that matter, the Bevins are said to spend most of their time in Anchorage, at that big old house that was sold under questionable financial circumstances a year ago.

If teachers are protesting outside of other elected officials' homes, why has this interesting and relevant news not appeared in any Kentucky media that I have seen or heard?

Free speech and verbally protesting is not the same as "verbal abuse". If you're going to hold elective public office in this country, you'd better get used to outspoken constituents among those whom you are supposed to represent.

Voicing one's opposition to an unpopular governmental policy or practice - or leader - is hardly "verbal abuse". My goodness, ever hear of Patrick Henry?? What do you think of his famous speech, directed at King George III? Who wasn't even elected??

If you're so concerned about abuse, why not turn your attention to the illegal financial abuse the teachers and other public employees and retirees have been subjected to in recent years? That's what the protests were about.

Some convened at a lawmaker's person home (in another city) to protest his position/vote and harassed him. Keep up.

[CraigCreek]

Originally Posted by otterhere

Some convened at a lawmaker's person home (in another city) to protest his position/vote and harassed him. Keep up.

Please cite your source, including the name of the "lawmaker", his or her position, and the city in which this occurred. Odd it wasn't covered by the "Lexington Herald-Leader", which has been covering the pension crisis very closely for weeks now.

I just searched online for "Kentucky teachers protest at home of legislator" and found nothing. Then I searched for "teachers protest at home of legislator", thinking perhaps you'd mistaken the state where this supposed incident occurred.

Again, nothing.

Please provide documentation of your claim.

[otterhere]

Moderator cut: Against TOS

Kentucky pension crisis: Bevin says opponents showing

"He also criticized opponents of SB 1 for protesting outside Bowen Tire Co. in Owensboro. State Sen. Joe Bowen, who sponsored the pension bill, is a partner in the business, according to the Legislative Research Commission. Bevin said the action displayed a 'thug mentality.'"

[CraigCreek]

According to the article cited above, teachers protested at the business, not the home, of State Senator Joe Bowen of Owensboro. No wonder I could not find a reference, since you initially misstated what occurred.

Considerable difference between an individual's home - and one's business.

For the record, I don't think this was helpful or productive behavior on the teachers' parts, but I can see why their frustration at being neither heard nor represented led to this action.

[Oldhag1]

Originally Posted by CraigCreek

According to the article cited above, teachers protested at the business, not the home, of State Senator Joe Bowen of Owensboro. No wonder I could not find a reference, since you initially misstated what occurred.

Considerable difference between an individual's home - and one's business.

For the record, I don't think this was helpful or productive behavior on the teachers' parts, but I can see why their frustration at being neither heard nor represented led to this action.

There is a difference indeed. Politicians don’t mind their businesses benefitting from their participation in state politics. It should come as no surprise to politicians that the opposite can happen, as in this case.

Bowen was one of the primary authors of Senate Bill 1 and, at least originally, one of Bevins’ biggest cheerleaders on the topic. I have noticed he has changed his tune and become far more conciliatory. No one should doubt, those protestors outside his business are probably the primary motivator inat that evolved thinking. I think he, along with other state politicians, were shocked by the response. I guess they just thought they could do whatever they liked and everyone would just meekly accept it.

[OldClothesandSuch]

Kentucky teachers aren’t allowed to put part of their money in one of the baskets available to just about every other American.[/quote]

I was being general. "Sheesh"

[OldClothesandSuch]

Originally Posted by CraigCreek

You mean the official Kentucky Governor's Mansion, next to the capitol building in Frankfort? I am not aware that any other "lawmakers" lived there. For that matter, the Bevins are said to spend most of their time in Anchorage, at that big old house that was sold under questionable financial circumstances a year ago.

If teachers are protesting outside of other elected officials' homes, why has this interesting and relevant news not appeared in any Kentucky media that I have seen or heard?

Free speech and verbally protesting is not the same as "verbal abuse". If you're going to hold elective public office in this country, you'd better get used to outspoken constituents among those whom you are supposed to represent.

Voicing one's opposition to an unpopular governmental policy or practice - or leader - is hardly "verbal abuse". My goodness, ever hear of Patrick Henry?? What do you think of his famous speech, directed at King George III? Who wasn't even elected??

If you're so concerned about abuse, why not turn your attention to the illegal financial abuse the teachers and other public employees and retirees have been subjected to in recent years? That's what the protests were about.

For whatever its worth, the thug mentality Ive experienced from a Kentucky teacher was in the form of doxxing me, publicly posting my home phone number on the Governors facebook page in the comments of a post. Guess she didn't like what I had to say and decided it was time to get even? IDK.

I took it upon myself to write the school board, principal and superintendent in the county where she is employed as a teacher and sent them screen shots of her "thug mentality".

I was made aware that the issue would be dealt with accordingly.

So there's that.

[Oldhag1]

Originally Posted by OldClothesandSuch

I was being general. "Sheesh"

The topic of this thread involves Kentucky teachers and the fact that they are not allowed to participate in Social Security is very pertinent to the discussion.