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We ended up stopping at Costco around 4 p.m. and found some things: Toilet paper, paper towels and bottled water, limit 5, but we bought 4. I know why it finally worked. I was wearing my camo blouse today. Whenever I wear it, and go hunting for these types of items, it usually lets me find them. The other times I was wearing normal boring clothes.
Ha too funny about your hunter gatherer outfit.
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Wow! You really are grasping at straws now. Unfortunately, this article is over a week old. If you have a source from the last 24 hours, please provide it. Thank you.
I see. Another right wing nutter unable to grasp reality and in denial. You asked to see the measures they were taking. I provided those recent measures. You could have goggled it yourself. Sorry it doesn't fit your narrative and ideal world of how things should be. Deal with it.
I see. Another right wing nutter unable to grasp reality and in denial. You asked to see the measures they were taking. I provided those recent measures. You could have goggled it yourself. Sorry it doesn't fit your narrative and ideal world of how things should be. Deal with it.
It's another ad hominem attack from the left. You must not be able to read very well. Why don't you actually go back and read the articles you reference starting with the title of the article, author, and the date the article was written? Please report back with actual quotes from the articles definitively showing how Sweden has now changed course.
I did already. They went from gatherings of 500 down to 50 and closed mass transportaion. You're the one that can't read and accept reality. I don't value irrational hyper-partisanship.
If you're looking for a success story try Taiwan's approach. They handed out 10M masks in December and didn't have to shut down their country despite being close to the outbreak. They had mass testing and contact tracing and learned from the 2003 SARS outbreak.
I did already. They went from gatherings of 500 down to 50 and closed mass transportaion. You're the one that can't read and accept reality. I don't value irrational hyper-partisanship.
If you're looking for a success story try Taiwan's approach. They handed out 10M masks in December and didn't have to shut down their country despite being close to the outbreak. They had mass testing and contact tracing and learned from the 2003 SARS outbreak.
Respectfully, Taiwan implemented a different type of shut down. Outsiders cannot get into Taiwan. My daughter intended to leave Japan for Taiwan around the 3rd week of March, and Taiwan closed its borders to foreigners, period. So my daughter is weathering the storm in Japan.
New Zealand is taking a similar approach. Zero foreigners are allowed in. If you are a foreigner, you are on lockdown, period. The only exception is to go to the airport and leave the country.
We cannot do that, of course, because -- no fence and we are not an island nation.
Nice try. First, none of the articles states that any additional steps were taken; it mentions the possibility. Second, it is interesting to note that all of your sources are British; given the British were going to follow the Swedes and then buckled and changed course, all of these articles sound like sour grapes.
Here in article from an American newspaper published yesterday stating the opposite:
I mean did you even read that city level article you threw out, it actually seems critical of the way sweden are handling it
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And while most businesses in Sweden are still operating, the economic cost of the pandemic is already being felt. Last week, 25,350 Swedes registered as unemployed, according to the Stockholm Chamber of Commerce — a larger increase than during the 2008 financial crisis.
In contrast, just across a narrow strip of sea, neighboring Denmark is already talking about reopening society. They imposed a much stricter lockdown four weeks ago, closing borders, schools and businesses. This week, the prime minister said by acting early, Denmark averted the tragedy that struck hard-hit nations like Italy and Spain, which together have seen at least 37,000 virus-related deaths, and will be ready after Easter for a slow return to normal life that starts with reopening preschools and primary schools.
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Originally Posted by ND_Irish
Wow! You really are grasping at straws now. Unfortunately, this article is over a week old. If you have a source from the last 24 hours, please provide it. Thank you.
I provided you 2 articles from the last 24 hours and one from 48 hours quite literally this is the headline
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Sweden imposes harsher coronavirus lockdown after backlash over soft approach
Your dismissal of them because they're british and its sour grapes shows what you base your logic on.
You're like a child thats got caught stealing cookies from the jar, mouth full, that just shakes his head refusing to admit he's been caught out, hoping that denying every fact for ridiculous reasons will work.
I'm sure you'll claim Forbes is the loony left now and that they can't be trusted, whereas that pinnacle of investigative journalism the Philadelphia Inquirer (circulation 150,000) is the appropriate hook upon which to hang your hat. (and even they suggest sweden is doing a bad job)
I see. Another right wing nutter unable to grasp reality and in denial. You asked to see the measures they were taking. I provided those recent measures. You could have goggled it yourself. Sorry it doesn't fit your narrative and ideal world of how things should be. Deal with it.
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Originally Posted by ND_Irish
It's another ad hominem attack from the left. You must not be able to read very well. Why don't you actually go back and read the articles you reference starting with the title of the article, author, and the date the article was written? Please report back with actual quotes from the articles definitively showing how Sweden has now changed course.
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Originally Posted by hotjambalaya
I mean did you even read that city level article you threw out, it actually seems critical of the way sweden are handling it
I provided you 2 articles from the last 24 hours and one from 48 hours quite literally this is the headline
Your dismissal of them because they're british and its sour grapes shows what you base your logic on.
You're like a child thats got caught stealing cookies from the jar, mouth full, that just shakes his head refusing to admit he's been caught out, hoping that denying every fact for ridiculous reasons will work.
I'm sure you'll claim Forbes is the loony left now and that they can't be trusted, whereas that pinnacle of investigative journalism the Philadelphia Inquirer (circulation 150,000) is the appropriate hook upon which to hang your hat. (and even they suggest sweden is doing a bad job)
The data for Sweden is pretty damning in comparison to Denmark & Norway as well. Similar cases per capita with Sweden lagging far behind in testing per capita and many times the deaths of both these countries.
Of course, the argument will be made that the deaths are so low anyway and that it doesn't warrant intervention. Which is fine, but the reality is that social distancing measure work. How much is also up for debate.
You're like a child thats got caught stealing cookies from the jar, mouth full, that just shakes his head refusing to admit he's been caught out, hoping that denying every fact for ridiculous reasons will work.
I'm sure you'll claim Forbes is the loony left now and that they can't be trusted, whereas that pinnacle of investigative journalism the Philadelphia Inquirer (circulation 150,000) is the appropriate hook upon which to hang your hat. (and even they suggest sweden is doing a bad job)
I see more insults from another leftist on this forum. Why don't you try to stick to the facts instead of misrepresenting reality? So 22 scientists do not agree with the Swedish government. What's your point? Point out the specific measures officially taken by Sweden which were a change to their prior actions and resulted in the institution of further restrictions on their population. I will save you the trouble; they have not changed course despite what you think the articles might have said.
By the way, per the latest WHO situation report today, new fatalities were up by 20, which admittedly is a slight increase over yesterday's 12. I would hardly call that a catastrophe, but I can already predict what your radical media sources will report: new fatalities increase almost 67% overnight in Sweden!
That is really weird about giant mosquitoes. I have never seen ONE mosquito since moving to the valley. And we have a lake down the street at Nature Discovery park. Are you sure you are not seeing those mosquito eaters? They look like giant mosquitoes.
As for spraying without the pest guy, I cannot handle the odors of bug spray and if I am out when he sprays, it stays in my nose for a few days later. I think paying my $32 a month for the convenience is OK with me.
They sure look like large mosquitoes to me. We've had normal sized ones down here in the past (typically, a green pool is involved) but I've never seen the large ones like this since I moved from the east coast. There has been more rain this year than in the past so I can only assume the water is pooling somewhere... perhaps in the tunnels?
Ironically, history is probably going to look at that approach a lot more fondly. The rampant violation of the U.S. Constitution and our civil rights is getting out of control. I could understand and appreciate the response at first, I was "on board" so to speak, not some crazy conspiracy nut. But then the facts -- as they are wont to do -- kept coming out and I reserve the right to change my mind as facts change. Garbage in, garbage out, so to speak. The original mortality rate was sold to us as 2-3% and "could be higher," then it was 2-3% but might be a bit lower, who knows. Then last week it was reported as 0.67% based on a comprehensive study of the facts. Then a few days ago a German study arrived at 0.37% -- not 20-30x as dangerous as the flu as so many were saying, but more like 3.5x the flu. Once again, I said it before, I'll say it again, it's a strong flu. For some people, it's nothing compared to the flu. Like, literally nothing, zero symptoms, nothing at all happens. For others, it's much worse than the flu and they die. The people who called it a strong flu before were ridiculed and told they were idiots who were anti-science. Turns out the science, in the end, proved them more right than wrong.
I don't believe a virus that kills 0.37% of the people it infects should shutter a lemonade stand, let alone a country or the world. I think the responses have been downright pathetic and I don't care if 10,000 Americans are saved, it's a disgrace to the millions who died to protect our freedoms and our rights as Americans that a minor health crisis pops up and suddenly hundreds of years of freedom is taken away in the blink of an eye. The governor of Rhode Island sent ARMED and uniformed national guard soldiers -- that's what they are -- door to door to try to find New Yorkers and kick them out of the state, which is a violation of so many constitutional rights it's unbelievable. I'd take that guy out and throw him into the Atlantic if I had any say over it. State after state issuing "stay at home" orders without any legal standing to do so. There hasn't been martial law declared anywhere, they don't have any legal basis for these orders. They are acting like little dictators, hungry for power, when a state governor has about the power of a strong fart.
My best friend in a police department in OR said his chief told them absolutely no fines or stops because of stay at home orders, they're aware it's a civil rights violation and don't want the department getting sued. California seems totally unaware of the irony of calling Trump a Nazi constantly and acting like he's "the end" of America, yet at the same time acting just like Nazi Germany in just about every way except for executing Jews. They don't tolerate freedom of speech, of assembly, of commerce, and now of movement. There is joke after joke with these states, both republican and democrat governors, so it's not a partisan thing. But it is a pathetic thing and history will judge the entire pandemic as one giant overreaction that was far worse than the virus it was meant to combat. I think I read an Onion piece about this panic once: "Old People Suddenly Realize They Might Die." Wow, it's so shocking a virus can kill old people, imagine that? It's almost like... like people don't live forever, and when you're really old, you could die of just about anything.
Open everything back up and let people do what they decide is safe, for them and their families, or face the economic consequences of a much worse recession or depression than we're already going to have. This joke was funny for a few weeks, now it has become pathetic that people WANT to bury their heads in the sand and say, "YoU aReN't TakInG tHiS sErIoUsLy!!1!11!!1111" No, YOU aren't taking this seriously! The virus isn't the thing to be taken seriously, the failing economy is.
I've been pointing this out for years. Groups like Antifa love to run around calling people racists, Nazis, getting shows cancelled, and shouting down dissenters while excusing their behavior by claiming it is just fine when they do these things because they are signalling their virtue. Seemingly, without realizing they are doing the very same things they accuse others of. It's the same pathological thinking that leads to ideas like "only white people can be racist."
There is a strong link between Marxist ideals and diagnosis of mental illness. See the following:
But this question is about Las Vegas - and as of this morning, Nevada overall is at 3.99% and Clark County is at 4.13% (according to Johns Hopkins University). I agree it is overblown - but what do you think that rate would be if the strip were open? And what ratio of death:infected is the tipping point to just tell people to stay home for a few weeks?
The rates have been more than double that during previous flu seasons. I still don't see any cause for alarm. Basic precautions and voluntary quarantine of vulnerable groups is probably all that's necessary.
I'm not sure what the demographics are of the visitor population but I'm guessing they veer younger. I don't see a terribly large number of retirement age and older hanging out on the strip. Off-strip casinos? Absolutely. Orleans at 2pm is oxygen tank central.
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The other times I was wearing normal boring clothes.
