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Unfortunately for you, you are not the collective voice of all Americans and there are some who take a far charitable view of legal immigration.
As for your last paragraph, I make my own good fortune and I don't care for your opinion on whether I can be American enough or not. For a lot of people, hard work , integrity and contributing to society/community is enough and a person's origin is not of much significance.
OP - I repeat, you will meet much wiser people, especially in bay area and should you choose to wean yourself off culture shock you can make lifelong friends.
Unfortunately for you and thankfully for all of us, the liberals in the Bay Area are not the collective voice of America. The more immigrants the liberals facilitate entering the country, the more votes for the Democratic party in the long run.
No one, including myself, is against legal immigration. But when there are job shortages, all temporary visa programs need to be shut down and legal immigration quotas reduced or immigration suspended. And you mention integrity and contributing to society/community ? Those two concepts are not present in a lot of the
H-1B workers that weaseled their way into the U.S.
Actually, the joke is on you. Instead of spending so much time worrying about the career strategy of others, you should focus on your own career advancement. Put away your bigotry and get used to the notion that "change" is guaranteed.
This has nothing to do with "career strategy" and certainly nothing to do with "hope and change" as promised by our golf professional President who has delivered no hope and no change. Yes, "change" is coming for him is 2016 ... can't come soon enough.
Bigotry also has nothing to do with it as it's simply supply and demand ... but you and the other nationalities who feel entitled to come to the U.S. would never see the true picture as anywhere is better than where you come from. There are simply not enough jobs to support immigration at the pace it is at now and certainly not enough to keep flooding the U.S. with temporary work visas.
And the joke is really on you if you believe all "change" is positive ...
This has nothing to do with "career strategy" and certainly nothing to do with "hope and change" as promised by our golf professional President who has delivered no hope and no change. Yes, "change" is coming for him is 2016 ... can't come soon enough.
Bigotry also has nothing to do with it as it's simply supply and demand ... but you and the other nationalities who feel entitled to come to the U.S. would never see the true picture as anywhere is better than where you come from. There are simply not enough jobs to support immigration at the pace it is at now and certainly not enough to keep flooding the U.S. with temporary work visas.
And the joke is really on you if you believe all "change" is positive ...
I never said all change is positive. Unlike you, I am at the top of my game in my chosen field and feel no insecurity or bitterness towards others. So, indeed, the joke is on you.
I never said all change is positive. Unlike you, I am at the top of my game in my chosen field and feel no insecurity or bitterness towards others. So, indeed, the joke is on you.
And for the record, I'm a US citizen.
I'm out.
Yeah, sure you are ... you're a legend in your own mind. And remember, there is only one way to go once you get to the "top"...
You and many others are blind to the fact that thousands of American jobs have been lost to cheaper labor overseas and many other domestic jobs are also being held by temporary visa holders who SHOULD NOT be here in the first place. If you had any sense of what direction the U.S. should be going in the future, you would know that adding more temporary visa workers is not that direction. As I tried to explain earlier, I do not hold any animosity toward the temporary worker as I don't know them (any more than you know me). It is the program that facilitates their entry into the U.S. (when they are NOT NEEDED) to which myself and many others
hold in contempt.
Temporary Visa Workers are brought to keep the wages down and this creates more Profits and Multi Million Dollar Bonuses for the Top Bosses. US is a Capitalist country and PROFIT is one of the basic foundations of this country. H-1B Visa program screws 99% of the Americans but it will grow and grow because it brings PROFIT to top 1%. If you remove H-1B Program, USA will become a SOCIALIST country-and you all know, SOCIALISM is bad.
Temporary Visa Workers are brought to keep the wages down and this creates more Profits and Multi Million Dollar Bonuses for the Top Bosses. US is a Capitalist country and PROFIT is one of the basic foundations of this country. H-1B Visa program screws 99% of the Americans but it will grow and grow because it brings PROFIT to top 1%. If you remove H-1B Program, USA will become a SOCIALIST country-and you all know, SOCIALISM is bad.
Let's remove the H-1B program, send all of you packing, and I'll take my chances whether we become a socialist country.
Let's remove the H-1B program, send all of you packing, and I'll take my chances whether we become a socialist country.
What is your message to all the American Corporations doing business in Foreign Countries??? Pepsi, Coca-Cola, Dell, Apple, Nike, Walmart, Apple -they all make money in those countries whose immigrants you want to throw out. Even Hollywood movies make more money in Foreign countries then in USA. We cannot have both ways!!!! Do business and earn money from outside while show hatred to people of other countries.
Before asking people of other countries to get out, can you ask American Companies to get out from the countries where immigrants come from? How much money these companies earn from foreign market? All that profit comes back to USA. Right????
Having said that, I am against expoitation of American workers in the name of H-1B worker program. Many of these jobs are not that "highly skilled" after all. This is an excuse to fill the job with a foreign worker at low cost and fire American worker. There should be measures to make sure that a Foreign worker should indeed benefit the economy.
1) Make such job visa fees very high like 25000 Dollars or so per year. In that case, only real highly skilled visa workers will come.
2) Abolish Family/Dependent visa for the workers on job visa. In that case, they will not be able to bring their families to USA. If they want to meet with their loved ones, take a flight and go to India in your vacation or they can come here for 6 months on Tourist visa if they can get it.
3) Abolish Green card system for H-1B visa holders.
Universities are another area where Immigration Reform is needed. Grad School is full of Foreign Researchers where they can get away with paying a pittance to Foreign origin Phds, Students, Post-Docs. Only objective there is money. Stipends for American Graduate Students is very low because Foreign students, Ph.Ds somehow agree to work on those low amounts.
Yes I am an immigrant myself and I am in the boat together.
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Temporary Visa Workers are brought to keep the wages down and this creates more Profits and Multi Million Dollar Bonuses for the Top Bosses. US is a Capitalist country and PROFIT is one of the basic foundations of this country. H-1B Visa program screws 99% of the Americans but it will grow and grow because it brings PROFIT to top 1%. If you remove H-1B Program, USA will become a SOCIALIST country-and you all know, SOCIALISM is bad.
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Originally Posted by munna21977
What is your message to all the American Corporations doing business in Foreign Countries??? Pepsi, Coca-Cola, Dell, Apple, Nike, Walmart, Apple -they all make money in those countries whose immigrants you want to throw out. Even Hollywood movies make more money in Foreign countries then in USA. We cannot have both ways!!!! Do business and earn money from outside while show hatred to people of other countries.
Before asking people of other countries to get out, can you ask American Companies to get out from the countries where immigrants come from? How much money these companies earn from foreign market? All that profit comes back to USA. Right????
Is this supposed to be serious or is it supposed to be trolling?
Profit is a necessity for any company to survive. A basic economic law. Second, the H1-B program was never designed to give CEO's multi million dollar paydays, but it does seem to be abused these days by comapnies and yes that is a bad thing. But thirdly, no it does not screw 99% of the Americans. And fourth, abolishing the program does not make the USA a socialist country.
The program should not be abolished, but abuse of it shoul carry serious penalty to the companies abusing it, as well as to the executives abusing the program.
Fifth, changing the H1-B program has nothing to do with doing business in foreign countries. H1-B brings foreign workers in, supposed workers that have skills that the USA is lacking. Doing business abroad means bringing American products to other countries that desire such products. But it also brings employment to those countries. However, many multinational comapnies come from countries where there is no such thing a an H1-B program or an L-1 visa. And they still do business.
What is your message to all the American Corporations doing business in Foreign Countries??? Pepsi, Coca-Cola, Dell, Apple, Nike, Walmart, Apple -they all make money in those countries whose immigrants you want to throw out. Even Hollywood movies make more money in Foreign countries then in USA. We cannot have both ways!!!! Do business and earn money from outside while show hatred to people of other countries.
Before asking people of other countries to get out, can you ask American Companies to get out from the countries where immigrants come from? How much money these companies earn from foreign market? All that profit comes back to USA. Right????
Having said that, I am against expoitation of American workers in the name of H-1B worker program. Many of these jobs are not that "highly skilled" after all. This is an excuse to fill the job with a foreign worker at low cost and fire American worker. There should be measures to make sure that a Foreign worker should indeed benefit the economy.
1) Make such job visa fees very high like 25000 Dollars or so per year. In that case, only real highly skilled visa workers will come.
2) Abolish Family/Dependent visa for the workers on job visa. In that case, they will not be able to bring their families to USA. If they want to meet with their loved ones, take a flight and go to India in your vacation or they can come here for 6 months on Tourist visa if they can get it.
3) Abolish Green card system for H-1B visa holders.
Universities are another area where Immigration Reform is needed. Grad School is full of Foreign Researchers where they can get away with paying a pittance to Foreign origin Phds, Students, Post-Docs. Only objective there is money. Stipends for American Graduate Students is very low because Foreign students, Ph.Ds somehow agree to work on those low amounts.
Yes I am an immigrant myself and I am in the boat together.
It is more than ethical for the U.S. to do business in other countries without bringing in H-1B workers from that country. In a lot of cases, the U.S. sends tens of millions of dollars each year to many of those countries. The folks in those countries are under no obligation to buy the U.S. company's products, just as we are under no obligation to buy anything manufactured in China, India, or Pakistan.
As far as the H-1B program goes, something needs to be done. I certainly agree with points #2 and #3 above but I think #1 is just another way to buy a path to citizenship when the applicant may not be qualified to work at the supposed available position in the U.S. If the program is here to stay, then I'd be in favor of stringent testing of the applicant in a face-to-face setting before the application process could be considered complete. I'd also shorten the length of the visa and if the H-1B has a position, reopen the position to American applicants at periodic intervals to make sure we are taking care of our own. Any company found in violation would be either be fined heavily or all of their H-1Bs sent packing.
Anyone that doesn't have their head in the sand knows that Indians take the biggest liberties with the H-1B program. Perhaps their share of the pie needs to be cut down substantially if the H-1B program has to stay. For example, explain to me why an Indian technical recruiter with poor English skills belongs in the U.S. on a H-1B visa other than to recruit and exploit other Indians.
I guess we are moving far away from the original topic of the thread. Its about an Electrical Engineer from Argentina trying to come to USA asking about job opportunities with regard to visa sponsorships, life in USA, Language issues etc. We are turning this into India-Bashing thread.
1) English language skills can be improved. Universities have English Language centers where Foreign students come and get Diploma etc. in English. Will that serve any purpose-it is upto you to decide.
2) It is very difficult nowadays for Non-IT companies to sponsor H-1B visa for foreigners. Your field is Electrical Engineering? it is next to impossible for any company to hire you while you are in Argentina, process your H-1B visa and give you a job. I have seen Foreigners with MS, Ph.D. from American Universities struggling to find a job.
3) Best advice-enjoy your life in Argentina. Earn money there. Come to USA as a tourist one day-see New York, Disney World, San Francisco, Las Vegas.
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