Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
um thousands of students? more like just over a 100 or 200 students in most senior classes at these schools. theyre not the best schools. i was actually referring to that newsweek article i glanced at a few months back. ridiculous.
but regarding u.s. news, stuyvesant was ranked 15? it should be in the top 5 considering that 21 students were accepted to harvard alone in my year. people don't realize that the rankings accounts for AP exams but classes at stuyvesant that are not 'AP' designated, are still very difficult despite the lack of AP in the title. that goes the same for hunter college high school -- and it's not even on that list! just a little fact: hunter yields the greatest percentage of it's graduating class to the ivy league schools out of any public high school in the u.s. of america. the students are definitely well prepared for college work. hunter and stuy should definitely be right up there with thomas jefferson. and just another fyi, hunter students average sat score is about a 1490/1600 (with a graduating class of <200, while stuyvesant (with a graduating class of about 750 students) is just over a 1400 to give all you LIers a better picture.
i'm also a little unsure of what their definition of a 'magnet school' is because to my knowledge, there were about 10 i've noticed that didn't receive that title.
Thats really not the point. These schools probably are mostly in wealthy neighborhoods but that doesn't mean the statistics aren't true. So why would you call it crap? Schools with a lot of money means the parents of these kids pay exhorbatant taxes for the most part. There are people in different tax brackets you know. That doesn't make them bad people...does it?
You're missing the point. People who live in, say Jericho, really think their school district is superior to other good districts, like Lynbrook and Rockville Centre. But are the teachers better in Jericho? Are the administrators better in Jericho? Of course not. Lynbrook and Rockville Centre wil always have lower SAT scores than Jericho because they have more economic diversity. Children from families with lower incomes will, on average, have lower SAT scores than children from families with higher incomes.
So often a school district is not better, it is just wealthier.
You're missing the point. People who live in, say Jericho, really think their school district is superior to other good districts, like Lynbrook and Rockville Centre. But are the teachers better in Jericho? Are the administrators better in Jericho? Of course not. Lynbrook and Rockville Centre wil always have lower SAT scores than Jericho because they have more economic diversity. Children from families with lower incomes will, on average, have lower SAT scores than children from families with higher incomes.
So often a school district is not better, it is just wealthier.
What do you think would happen if all the kids from Jericho were bussed to Roosevelt and all the kids from Roosevelt were bussed to Jericho. A complete swap, except all the teachers and administrators stayed where they were.
Would Jerich still be a great school district?
Would Roosevelt still be a crappy school district?
My view is that Roosevelt would be outstanding and Jericho would suck - because it has nothing to do with the teachers, administrators or even spending per-pupil, but it has everything to do with the socio-economic dynamics of the students and their parents.
The moral of the story is to not put too much emphasis on these lists.
What only matters is if your child is getting a good education and is happy no matter where he or she is.
You're missing the point. People who live in, say Jericho, really think their school district is superior to other good districts, like Lynbrook and Rockville Centre. But are the teachers better in Jericho? Are the administrators better in Jericho? Of course not. Lynbrook and Rockville Centre wil always have lower SAT scores than Jericho because they have more economic diversity. Children from families with lower incomes will, on average, have lower SAT scores than children from families with higher incomes.
So often a school district is not better, it is just wealthier.
The wealthier schools pay more atention to the kids because "they can"..because they have the funding to give more individualized attention. They offer a lot more programs to the kids that you don't see in schools with less funding. Thats just a given. There's no right or wrong about that..the communities pay much higher taxes and thats where a lot of the tax money goes. Into the local schools. Thats why when one speaks about a home being an investment as well as a place to hang your hat the three givens are as you know, location, location, location. You or I can't really can't make the results of our opinions based on emotion. We're simply speaking about facts.
For someone to say they should call the article Wealthy White People to me is really obnoxious. Imagine saying that about black people in a similar thread about something. Its not about color or wealth in spite of whether thats the case or not. The article was about the results these schools have as the bottom line. If someone wants to start another thread about whether they think its fair or not that might be a good idea...but the facts are the facts...like them or not. Most people find one school is better than another with what the ends results leave you with which would be going onto college or similar.
Personally? I'd rather see things a bit different as well but then we could get into discussions about whether or not we want to live in a socialist society or similar. It can go on and on.
Its not like I'm disagreeing that these schools are wealthy and white but that just sounds angry and anger never solves anything. In fact anger breeds lies and deception from the real truth and if people are so concerned about change then they have to try and stop showing their anger and focus more on solutions.
I have a lot to say about this but I'm sure no one wants to hear my rants but briefly...I lived my whole kid life in the projects of Corona and Jackson Hts Queens. In the 50's and 60's and 70's the public school system for a lack of a better word sucked! I dropped out of high school in April of my senior year from Elmont Memorial HS as a statement. I then went on with a group of people to start an acreditated alternative school for kids. The Learning Tree Free School in Westbury...and no, not the rich part of Westbury..the part by New Castle on the corner of Union and Grand. We ran that school for almost two decades. The PS school system got a little better IMO. The LT finally saw its last days. I had a kid of my own by then and wanted to find THE BEST public school I could find for her. I did my homework and found that Cold Spring Harbor had such a school sysyem so my wife and I bought the cheapest house we could find in order to get into the school district. I think we paid $87,000 for a little piece of junk house on Woodbury Rd near the CSH LIRR. I eventually fixed it up being a renovations contractor and moved into another peace of junk I paid $400,000 for that I fixed up again on Fox Hunt La, (see my web site in my profile if you want).
We kept living in dust and debre in order to keep both our daughters in this HS system. While I'm very far from thrilled with my neighbors I am however in love with a lot of the facilty in CSH schools. They've bent over backwards for us like you have no idea. My youngest had ADD and a few other letters probably...lol. Had she been in any other school I know she'd have been tossed into the system and labeled a trouble maker etc etc. That never happened in CSHS. It IS because the school had the money to find the time and resouces to work with her. Being white had nothing to do with it...matter of fact I spent my entire kid life for the most part growing up in a black neighborhood in the projects....and rich??? Very far from it. I work really hard as a carpenter and I struggle just like any other middle class person...maybe more.
End of rant...sorry.
PS..and I know I'm not the only one so people shouldn't judge books by their covers. There's always more to it then they know. Blanket statements really turn me off. Prejudice works both ways.
What do you think would happen if all the kids from Jericho were bussed to Roosevelt and all the kids from Roosevelt were bussed to Jericho. A complete swap, except all the teachers and administrators stayed where they were.
Would Jerich still be a great school district?
Would Roosevelt still be a crappy school district?
I think thats too much of a general statement but let me ask you this...if you put someone in a better enviorment do you think they'll do better? In this case it would be the school enviorment. I sure think it'll be better for the child. Enviorment is a huge piece of the puzzle!
Does it matter if a kid is paid attention to at home...of course it does but FWIW parents in all communities have neglectful parents. Ever go into a home where the parents are always away on business? There's scenarios that fit both arguments. And just because a kid is in a low income area that doesn't mean they don't have loving and caring parents that want the best for their kids.
I think thats too much of a general statement but let me ask you this...if you put someone in a better enviorment do you think they'll do better? In this case it would be the school enviorment. I sure think it'll be better for the child. Enviorment is a huge piece of the puzzle!
Does it matter if a kid is paid attention to at home...of course it does but FWIW parents in all communities have neglectful parents. Ever go into a home where the parents are always away on business? There's scenarios that fit both arguments. And just because a kid is in a low income area that doesn't mean they don't have loving and caring parents that want the best for their kids.
So when is Cold Spring Harbor going to integrate its schools?
There are lots of deserving Black and Hispanic kids in Huntington Station. I'm sure the good folks in CSH would welcome the chance to help disadvantaged kids from Huntington Station.
You have no moral reason to oppose the integration of Cold Spring Harbor schools. We can both write NY state politicians demand immediate consolidation of Cold Spring Harbor with Huntington Station.
What do you say to integration for Cold Spring Harbor?
What do you think would happen if all the kids from Jericho were bussed to Roosevelt and all the kids from Roosevelt were bussed to Jericho. A complete swap, except all the teachers and administrators stayed where they were.
Would Jerich still be a great school district?
Would Roosevelt still be a crappy school district?
My view is that Roosevelt would be outstanding and Jericho would suck - because it has nothing to do with the teachers, administrators or even spending per-pupil, but it has everything to do with the socio-economic dynamics of the students and their parents.
The moral of the story is to not put too much emphasis on these lists.
What only matters is if your child is getting a good education and is happy no matter where he or she is.
Wow! This is the best post I have ever read. You are 100% correct regarding the swap of students. These rankings are used by real estate agents and to increase the egos of the residents. Nothing else.
So when is Cold Spring Harbor going to integrate its schools?
There are lots of deserving Black and Hispanic kids in Huntington Station. I'm sure the good folks in CSH would welcome the chance to help disadvantaged kids from Huntington Station.
You have no moral reason to oppose the integration of Cold Spring Harbor schools. We can both write NY state politicians demand immediate consolidation of Cold Spring Harbor with Huntington Station.
What do you say to integration for Cold Spring Harbor?
As soon as we live in a socialist society I guess.
As soon as taxes are distributed differently.
High taxed hoods go to the neighborhoods they're paid into.
In a socialist society supposedly everything is equal.
I'm totally not understanding you at all.
Thats just how it is in AMERICA!
The money that goes into the community, individual towns.. result in what that neighborhood has advantages to. Am I missing something about that?
I think your asking a whole different question than what those articles are about. You seem to be objecting to spending the tax money that comes from these individual towns to go back into the same towns. You want the monies equally divided through out Long Island schools. Shipping kids to other areas is one way I supose but if you're going to do that than why not simplify it and just spend the tax money equally around the country? But thats a completely different discussion.
I'm surprised the Wheatley School in Old Westbury wasn't there.
For those that may not be aware, the Wheatley School (grade 8 through grade 12) is in the East Williston Union Free School District.
The Village of Old Westbury is partly in the East Williston Union Free School District, the Westbury Union Free School District and the Jericho Union Free School District.
wheatley school isn't great either. you're right though..surprising it's not on that list.
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.
Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
What do you think would happen if?
