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Old 05-14-2021, 08:44 AM
 
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It's (potentially) worse than that.


We are not required to get vaccinated here -but I'd say 90%+ are and the very few that aren't fall in a couple obvious categories:


1. Anaphylaxis fears, based on past events - whatever the low odds of are of that, I don't blame them.
2. Already had a symptomatic COVID infection and are waiting a while, as they're in little risk.
3. Complete flipping nutcakes.


But I say "worse" (for the employees) because THIS company requiring it is not the issue; we travel, we interact, we go to meetings and work in teams with other businesses and their clients, too.


MANY OF THEM require a vaccine to visit - and as a result - if you want to work here (for very long) you, too, will be de facto required to get a vaccine. You just won't be able to do your job without it. This will be true in many, many industries. So fretting over whether or not a place can require it - you betcha, and with good reason - they'll go out of business without it.


Note I am not debating the sense of it - I'm just saying: That's how it is.
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Old 05-14-2021, 08:46 AM
 
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Do people openly ask each other whether or not they have gotten the vaccine? have there been any discussions about it? Or it was simply "it seems safe to come back into the office so that's what we are doing" with no mention of vaccines?

Just wondering how other companies on LI are handling it.
My company has avoided these discussions because masking/vaccination is so politically charged. So if someone says they don't want to wear a mask or maybe that they aren't vaccinated...some will assume the are Trump supporters and that could impact your standing....or if you come in wearing a mask, face shield and using hand sanitizer every 2 minutes that you are overreacting.
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Old 05-14-2021, 09:54 AM
 
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My company has avoided these discussions because masking/vaccination is so politically charged. So if someone says they don't want to wear a mask or maybe that they aren't vaccinated...some will assume the are Trump supporters and that could impact your standing....or if you come in wearing a mask, face shield and using hand sanitizer every 2 minutes that you are overreacting.
How have they avoided it?? How are they providing a safe environment for employees in the office without discussing masks, vaccinations and social distancing??
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Old 05-14-2021, 12:52 PM
 
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Not an issue for me since I don’t need to go back to the office for the rest of this year. Not missing the MTA one bit
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Old 05-14-2021, 02:28 PM
 
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Sure they can, with a couple of very narrow exceptions that don't usually apply. A company could also fire you because they don't like the direction you parted your hair that morning.
Correct. But if something goes wrong with the vaccine, you're going to file a potentially costly Workers' Compensation claim, and potentially a lawsuit depending on how bad your reaction to the vaccine is. I doubt most larger employers would take the risk. They're not shielded from liability like the pharmaceutical companies are.

In a related matter, note all the talk of forced vaccinations for students, but not for faculty. Wonder why that is.
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Old 05-15-2021, 12:23 PM
 
Location: Little Babylon
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Can companies legally do this?

I guess if you didn’t get vaxxed you couldn’t get fired but you just wouldnt be able to come to the office and maybe will have to work from home?
Also for companies to track who is faxed and who isn’t would be a full time job, I know this from HR execs.
Our Guv just lifted most of the mask mandate and is shutting down the vax sites as the numbers of people going are dwindling.
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Old 05-17-2021, 09:17 AM
 
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I'm not sure there is a definitive answer on this.

There was a news story a few months back. A waitress in Brooklyn was fired because she told her employer she was not planning to get the vaccine. It wasn't an "on your side" type of story... seems the support was more for the restaurant that was "keeping people safe."

So I guess you CAN be terminated for not getting a vaccine. Whether that holds up to legal action is another story.

Since the government is selling the vaccine like they get a commission and New York is especially over the top on masks, closures, etc. I would guess the courts are going to side with the "required vaccine" employer.

It will be interesting to see how this plays out. Vaccine passports, workplace requirements, school vaccine requirements are all likely to be put to the test.
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Old 05-17-2021, 01:39 PM
 
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Yup only thing they can’t fire you for is racial, sex, age discrimination. And even then you have to prove it.

They could also restrict non-vaccinated people from coming into the office and then fire you for not coming into the office.
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Old 05-17-2021, 02:29 PM
 
Location: Little Babylon
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I'm not sure there is a definitive answer on this.

There was a news story a few months back. A waitress in Brooklyn was fired because she told her employer she was not planning to get the vaccine. It wasn't an "on your side" type of story... seems the support was more for the restaurant that was "keeping people safe."

So I guess you CAN be terminated for not getting a vaccine. Whether that holds up to legal action is another story.

Since the government is selling the vaccine like they get a commission and New York is especially over the top on masks, closures, etc. I would guess the courts are going to side with the "required vaccine" employer.

It will be interesting to see how this plays out. Vaccine passports, workplace requirements, school vaccine requirements are all likely to be put to the test.
According to one HR exec even asking the question can fall into PHI.
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Old 05-17-2021, 02:48 PM
 
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I'm not sure there is a definitive answer on this.

There was a news story a few months back. A waitress in Brooklyn was fired because she told her employer she was not planning to get the vaccine. It wasn't an "on your side" type of story... seems the support was more for the restaurant that was "keeping people safe."

So I guess you CAN be terminated for not getting a vaccine. Whether that holds up to legal action is another story.

Since the government is selling the vaccine like they get a commission and New York is especially over the top on masks, closures, etc. I would guess the courts are going to side with the "required vaccine" employer.

It will be interesting to see how this plays out. Vaccine passports, workplace requirements, school vaccine requirements are all likely to be put to the test.

Could also become a dating requirement.
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