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Old 12-11-2021, 04:04 PM
 
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most of that stuff is useless when you have covid .

they would be far better off getting rid of covid and all the restrictions and masks and let flu and colds come back as they would sell a lot more of what is in those aisles .

sorry i dont buy in to that storyline
It's not a storyline, it's a timeline. Cold/flu has been massive business for 40 years protected by the pharma lobby. COVID is 2 years old and never had a fart in a breeze of being "free market" anything. They are still selling tons of cold, flu and allergy meds and ALSO collecting from the Fed for COVID. I doubt they care either way, they just go with the business flow and the stockholders measure what's right or wrong. He asked why a vax was made so fast. I said rivers of money and deregulation...that's how. You got a better theory, that's okay.
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Old 12-11-2021, 04:18 PM
 
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all things being equal i highly doubt we need boosters to boost our defenses because they want to sell nyquill …like i said , i dont think following the money in this case is really the right choice of words or logic
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Old 12-11-2021, 04:24 PM
 
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all things being equal i highly doubt we need boosters to boost our defenses because they want to sell nyquill …like i said , i dont think following the money in this case is really the right choice of words or logic

Think you're looking at an apple and describing an orange. One is gov one is business. You married them in your head. Pfizer doesn't work for us. They work for their shareholders. They are being contracted by the govt at enormous sums of loot. It's heroic. It's also BUSINESS. It has zero to do with nyquil or how cold remedies affect covid or not.
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Old 12-11-2021, 10:13 PM
 
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The need for boosters does not mean the vaccines are not vaccines.
No, but the fact that the “vaccine” does absolutely nothing to prevent one from getting Covid, that isn’t a vaccine. It is merely a therapeutic. So, it is just a slight treatment that is injected into you ahead of time so that when you get Covid, you already have something in you to help fight it.

At least a flu shot prevents the flu providing it is the same strain. This joke of a vaccine does nothing at all to prevent anyone from getting Covid. Therefore, Vaxxed people can get Covid as easily as unvaxxed. They just might not get as sick. Since that is true, why do vaxxed give a crap if unvaxxed don’t get the shot? Makes no sense at all. Every man for himself.
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Old 12-12-2021, 02:20 AM
 
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No, but the fact that the “vaccine” does absolutely nothing to prevent one from getting Covid, that isn’t a vaccine. It is merely a therapeutic. So, it is just a slight treatment that is injected into you ahead of time so that when you get Covid, you already have something in you to help fight it.

At least a flu shot prevents the flu providing it is the same strain. This joke of a vaccine does nothing at all to prevent anyone from getting Covid. Therefore, Vaxxed people can get Covid as easily as unvaxxed. They just might not get as sick. Since that is true, why do vaxxed give a crap if unvaxxed don’t get the shot? Makes no sense at all. Every man for himself.
wrong, it certainly does prevent many from getting covid who otherwise would have gotten it …studies in the netherlands and oxford shows the vaccinated virus spewed does not culture as well either .

what you usually get is a weaker less potent virus .

just because a vaccine doesnt work on everyone equally does not mean its not a vaccine
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Old 12-12-2021, 02:22 AM
 
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No, but the fact that the “vaccine” does absolutely nothing to prevent one from getting Covid, that isn’t a vaccine. It is merely a therapeutic. So, it is just a slight treatment that is injected into you ahead of time so that when you get Covid, you already have something in you to help fight it.

At least a flu shot prevents the flu providing it is the same strain. This joke of a vaccine does nothing at all to prevent anyone from getting Covid. Therefore, Vaxxed people can get Covid as easily as unvaxxed. They just might not get as sick. Since that is true, why do vaxxed give a crap if unvaxxed don’t get the shot? Makes no sense at all. Every man for himself.
wrong, it certainly does prevent many from getting covid who otherwise would have gotten it …studies in the netherlands and oxford shows the vaccinated virus spewed does not culture as well either .

what you usually get is a weaker less potent virus .

just because a vaccine doesnt work on everyone equally does not mean its not a vaccine .

i see you like to make up your own definitions too
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Old 12-12-2021, 04:55 AM
 
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wrong, it certainly does prevent many from getting covid who otherwise would have gotten it …studies in the netherlands and oxford shows the vaccinated virus spewed does not culture as well either .

what you usually get is a weaker less potent virus .

just because a vaccine doesnt work on everyone equally does not mean its not a vaccine .

i see you like to make up your own definitions too
This sort of info is not at all a surprise to folks who have noticed the vaccine is not particularly effective in preventing infection:

(CNN) Most of the 43 people known to have been infected with the Omicron variant of coronavirus in the United STates had mild symptoms, but most had been vaccinated and 14 of them had already had booster doses, the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reported Friday.

The first CDC report on the Omicron variant in the US shows vaccination does not protect people against infection but it also indicates the first cases to be detected have been mild or moderate.


https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/12/10/h...cdc/index.html

Two things can be true at the same time: The fully vaccinated are routinely infected by Covid (and can spread it) AND the vaccine mitigates the harm to the infected person.

Which, of course, means Covid’s not going anywhere, the vaccinated are not at serious risk when infected (via vaccinated or unvaccinated folks), and it’s time to stop the damaging Covid-related mandates.
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Old 12-12-2021, 04:09 PM
 
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^^ But some just don’t want to believe that article or the facts within it. It’s time to move on folks. Get your jab or don’t and move on!!
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Old 12-13-2021, 09:23 AM
 
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The COVID vaccine works the same way the Flu vaccine does, and is very similar in effectiveness. The difference in perception is that no one every runs off and gets a flu test when they have no symptoms. So, all those times people in your household had the flu (went to the doctor with bad symptoms and tested positive for it), but you didn't get it -- guess what? You got it. You were just asymptomatic.

So, part of the problem we have as a society is that we have completely changed the working definition of what it means to "have" a certain upper respiratory illness. And this is bad for policy making unless people start realizing that we have changed the definition and they can react accordingly.

None of this is black or white. Or + vs - for people more inclined to view it that way. Instead, it's a continuum. It's like mixing colors. But a better way of looking at it is it's like wearing a jacket outside. if the weather is mild, you won't get cold even if you don't wear a jacket. As the temperature lowers, you will eventually get a little bit cold, than a bit more cold, and so on. if you put on a jacket, the temperature has to be lower in order for you to get cold, and as it gets lower, you will get colder but less so than if you didn't have a jacket on. And so on and so on. The jacket is the vaccine, and the temperature is the viral load (the amount of virus) you encounter. Lower temps = higher viral loads. Claiming that the vaccine is worthless because people can still get COVID would be like throwing out your jacket and vowing to never buy one again because on one winter day you got cold even though you were wearing your jacket.
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Old 12-20-2021, 09:06 AM
 
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all things being equal i highly doubt we need boosters to boost our defenses because they want to sell nyquill …like i said , i dont think following the money in this case is really the right choice of words or logic
Following the money is always the right choice as those vaccines weren't under development for no cost and without the hope they would make lots of money.
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