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EV's are great as commuters or if you like performance (although they are still overpriced). But they are terrible as work trucks, you already lose like 30% + range in the cold once you strain the battery further (like plowing or towing) range can suffer over 50% easily. As far as working vehicles go EV's are not ready for prime time yet.
I think the work truck bit depends on what you're using that work truck for. It can be great to have a lot of onboard power delivery to tools without needing to run the vehicle and the cost per mile of running these can be very low if you're charging them at general rate. They also have far fewer moving parts and thus are generally much cheaper in maintenance. Where they do poorly though is if you're towing large trailers over long distances (highway speeds) since EVs are so efficient, that increase in aerodynamic drag directly impacts energy consumption whereas internal combustion engines are generally so inefficient at the base level that they're generally tuned for a certain rpm band and the driving conditions thus make relatively little difference. What I've been seeing a lot of in terms of EV work trucks in NYC of late are Amazon's delivery trucks made by Rivian and those are fantastic for their application as they aren't towing any trailers and they're well-suited for frequent stop and go driving with fairly few miles traveled at highway speeds per day, but enough miles and operator time every day that the fuel savings likely accrue very rapidly.
EVs are ready for prime time for the most part except for these very important conditions which affect about half of the car-buying US public:
- You live without a pathway to home charging: this is the number one reason by far to not get an EV because without this, you don't really accrue the savings or get that extra convenience
- You live in a place with Fairbanks, AK-esque winters that are long and deeply cold: ICE vehicles produce a lot of waste heat far in excess of what winters in most of the US require and especially LI to warm the vehicles, but winters like that in Fairbanks, AK are so severe and for so long that that is not so much the case
- You routinely drive several hundred miles or more in a single day in every vehicle you buy and you're *not* buying in the premium sedan segment
- You routinely tow large trailers over hundreds of miles in a single in every vehicle you buy
Aside from that, EVs if there's a make and model you like which in the US is rapidly improving but still a bit limited, generally work fine.
I would also that they are *not* overpriced for performance. If anything, they strongly undercut internal combustion engines vehicles when it comes to performance. The performance numbers of something like the Tesla Model 3 Performance which is an under 6 figure car has performance specs of vehicles an order of magnitude more expensive and yet in normal driving will yield twice as good energy efficiency as a Prius (while being much larger). It's gotten pretty absurd what the performance specs for EVs are and a lot of that stems from electric motors just being incredibly efficient over a very broad range of rpms.
I can’t wait for this to happen and then they retrofit old buildings. Then landlords say hey if it’s electric heat and hw then it can be be connected to a specific unit. Pow your apartment now is the same price but you have to pay for heat and HW when leases expires.
I can’t wait for this to happen and then they retrofit old buildings. Then landlords say hey if it’s electric heat and hw then it can be be connected to a specific unit. Pow your apartment now is the same price but you have to pay for heat and HW when leases expires.
Yea, that's quite possibly what happens, but I think the important thing for renters is to be aware of that and thus to factor that in when renting. After all, when landlords include heat and hot water in rent, it's not like they don't include that in their actual expenses when deciding the rent to charge. Instead, they assume a certain cost and incorporate the flat cost. It's important that renters understand though when there is a change and that these are not included. It's also important to know if the electric heat and hot water is via heat pumps which would have fairly nominal power draw or if they are from resistance heat which is substantially less efficient.
I do think this, while probably going to be rife with growing pains, is the better solution than systems where the heating is turned on and off at will (or for NYC at least, I believe it's on when under 50F) as people have different preferences for what they'd like the ambient temperature to be and for some, 51F is quite cold. It also incentives at the point of use using as much energy as actually necessary.
I am.sure we will.be hearing the sob stories from renters who wont be able to afford their 1k a month electric bill. You see it in the Poconos when NYers leave their apartments with provided gas heat here and then have to pay for electric heat there.
Did they interview only people who had lobotomies and lived?
LOL!!! of course he cited "data for progress" Literally a far left activist org. that manipulates data and surveys to support their crazy causes. Don't listen to a word from one of their "polls" they are a joke.
Did they interview only people who had lobotomies and lived?
Total scam and propaganda hit piece. Most likely downstate/metro areas were the focus of the poll.
There is no way in hell, no friggin way “the majority” of NY’ers support this, at least not by land mass.
If all the city bleeding hearts want this then do it in your own backyard. Stop making the rest of the state suffer because of your selfish wants and needs. Really. Y’all can suck it hard. Scumbags.
I am.sure we will.be hearing the sob stories from renters who wont be able to afford their 1k a month electric bill. You see it in the Poconos when NYers leave their apartments with provided gas heat here and then have to pay for electric heat there.
I am, too. That's why I think it's important to know beforehand what kind of electric heat is being used. There is a massive efficiency difference between cold climate heat pumps and electrical resistance heaters. It's when you get saddled with the latter that it really goes terribly.
I think the work truck bit depends on what you're using that work truck for. It can be great to have a lot of onboard power delivery to tools without needing to run the vehicle and the cost per mile of running these can be very low if you're charging them at general rate. They also have far fewer moving parts and thus are generally much cheaper in maintenance. Where they do poorly though is if you're towing large trailers over long distances (highway speeds) since EVs are so efficient, that increase in aerodynamic drag directly impacts energy consumption whereas internal combustion engines are generally so inefficient at the base level that they're generally tuned for a certain rpm band and the driving conditions thus make relatively little difference. What I've been seeing a lot of in terms of EV work trucks in NYC of late are Amazon's delivery trucks made by Rivian and those are fantastic for their application as they aren't towing any trailers and they're well-suited for frequent stop and go driving with fairly few miles traveled at highway speeds per day, but enough miles and operator time every day that the fuel savings likely accrue very rapidly.
EVs are ready for prime time for the most part except for these very important conditions which affect about half of the car-buying US public:
- You live without a pathway to home charging: this is the number one reason by far to not get an EV because without this, you don't really accrue the savings or get that extra convenience
- You live in a place with Fairbanks, AK-esque winters that are long and deeply cold: ICE vehicles produce a lot of waste heat far in excess of what winters in most of the US require and especially LI to warm the vehicles, but winters like that in Fairbanks, AK are so severe and for so long that that is not so much the case
- You routinely drive several hundred miles or more in a single day in every vehicle you buy and you're *not* buying in the premium sedan segment
- You routinely tow large trailers over hundreds of miles in a single in every vehicle you buy
Aside from that, EVs if there's a make and model you like which in the US is rapidly improving but still a bit limited, generally work fine.
I would also that they are *not* overpriced for performance. If anything, they strongly undercut internal combustion engines vehicles when it comes to performance. The performance numbers of something like the Tesla Model 3 Performance which is an under 6 figure car has performance specs of vehicles an order of magnitude more expensive and yet in normal driving will yield twice as good energy efficiency as a Prius (while being much larger). It's gotten pretty absurd what the performance specs for EVs are and a lot of that stems from electric motors just being incredibly efficient over a very broad range of rpms.
I don't mean they are overpriced for performance. I mean they are overpriced in general. Until that changes they will not be mass adopted. You can get for an example, a kia Telluride base model for 35k, a full sized SUV with a ton of practicality. An EV of the same size we are talking 80+ K easy. Also the national charging infrastructure is still awful for road trips outside of Tesla (Full disclosure I own 2 EV's and am well aware of their positives and shortcomings). This will hopefully improve but it has been slow going. We still have a ways to go.
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