Why do people in the Mid-West, South, @ SW hate on LA so much? (Los Angeles: lower-class, transplants)

[Bunjee]

Originally Posted by Scanman91

I'm from the Midwest and I don't think we "hate" them, we just hate how cocky some of them are. Some people there think they're better then everyone else and that the rest of the country doesn't matter. I'm sure most people from LA aren't like that but I think there are a few. They assume everyone in the Midwest is a farmer and is uneducated. I'm not a genius; I'm far from one, but I do think I'm fairly smart. There are smart and dumb people everywhere and believing in stereotypes makes someone one of the dumb ones. LA isn't perfect and never will be and never has been. Nor will anywhere else in the country.

The Midwest stereotype is that's the place where people have "real values". More than a bit self-aggrandizing too.

Originally Posted by rmissourimule

The reason I despise California (all of it) is that I don't think one state should determine U.S. national presidential elections. If it were up to me I would give California back to Mexico as it was stolen anyway. The only way this would change would be if California would split into three states. Then I would change my mind.

That's a constitutional issue. Get more people to move to where you live. I hated it when Florida decided an election too but that's how things shook out. (Yes, I know it was a Supreme Court decision, but I'm responding to the "blame the state" argument.)

[malevolentkitty]

Originally Posted by Charles

Ya but...the ratio of people moving from the midwest to SoCal to the people moving from SoCal to the midwest is 69 to 1.

The area I live in actually has a pretty decent influx of L.A. area migrants.

[Dreadnought]

I've spent significant time in LA, the midwest (Where I'm from St. Louis, and Chicago), and the south (Louisiana, Georgia, and Florida) (Only vacationed in New England). Southerners are very proud people, and there is no greater place than the south as far as they are concerned. Midwesterners are pretty neutral. We like where we live, but if a better job opportunity came along we are not opposed to moving if it makes sense for our families.

Only thing I ever heard said that they thought was negative about California was always about San Francisco having a lot of gay people (*Not my opinion). Can't really remember anyone ever saying anything bad about LA. I have known lots of people that have gone to vacation around Southern California. As a matter of fact my cousin is married to a girl from LA and they live here in St. Louis, but fly out to see her family regularly.

People do hate sports teams though

[jm1982]

Just saw there is a song called "I hate California" by Uncle Kracker

I Hate California Lyric Meaning - Uncle Kracker Meanings

Only talks about the superficial L.A "hollywood" scene . and plays on the 'hippie' stereotypes of L.A/CA

This type of pop culture stuff could be why people view California the way they do.

[rmissourimule]

Originally Posted by Bunjee

The Midwest stereotype is that's the place where people have "real values". More than a bit self-aggrandizing too.

That's a constitutional issue. Get more people to move to where you live. I hated it when Florida decided an election too but that's how things shook out. (Yes, I know it was a Supreme Court decision, but I'm responding to the "blame the state" argument.)

But the difference between 2000 and every other election is that even if there is one vote more for the Dem candidate than the Republican candidate, ALL the electoral votes flow to the Dem candidate. With the massive fraud of the Democratic party machines in the large cities and the welfare mentality of so many Californians, the rest of us who have to live with the results generally just hate the state to its very core.

Of course the weather is fine and the agricultural contribution to our food basket is not be be glossed over. The only real solution is to split the state so it doesn't rule over the rest of us.

Hollywood? What is there to say? Freaks, idiots, exhibitionists, every kind of aberrant behavior known to man. What is there to like about this? Most of the rest of us just want to be left alone with "our guns and religion" without a bunch of know it alls telling us what we are to believe.

And I am completely and totally serious about giving the state back to Mexico. I would do it in a NY second. Without a doubt it was stolen from Mexico anyway.

[Bunjee]

No, that's how the Electoral College has always worked, at least back to the mid-19th century. If you're looking for fraud it's not in that aspect of the system, just because the election result was not to your liking. There was a lot of admitted voter suppression effort but not by whom you suspect. Anyway, that's for another forum.

I do appreciate your expressing your sentiments though. That's what this thread is about.

[rmissourimule]

Originally Posted by Bunjee

No, that's how the Electoral College has always worked, at least back to the mid-19th century. If you're looking for fraud it's not in that aspect of the system, just because the election result was not to your liking. There was a lot of admitted voter suppression effort but not by whom you suspect. Anyway, that's for another forum.

I do appreciate your expressing your sentiments though. That's what this thread is about.

It is a fact that metropolitan Democratic "machines" turn out a lot of voters for the express purpose of winning the election. Many of these individuals in these organizations are on the public payroll pulling down obscene amounts of money. The politicians in effect give them what they want in exchange for their votes. Simply stated it is the buying of votes by our own tax dollars which our founding fathers warned us about. In the early days of our republic only land owners had the right to vote because they were the ones who funded the government. They didn't want the "riff-raff" determining the voting out comes. We also had the senate whose members were chosen by the governors to moderate the more radical members of the house. But that was changed early in last century to provide for the popular vote of senators. Consequently, these people are even less accountable in that they only run for reelection every six years, however they vote in order to gain the most votes. Even one vote carries the election and many are fraudulent as we now know.

That were was voter suppression is not in question but that aside the idea was that we would not have a "democracy" run by mob rule but a "republic" that would be representative of he citizens. That's where the electoral college came into being. And this is the rub. California has about 55 electoral votes or almost 1/4 of the number of votes (270) to win the election. So instead of hitting from home plate they essentially start off on second base and only have to round up enough highly populated votes run by Democratic machines to win the election. Who can forget Mayor Daley of Chicago who said "vote early and vote often." Illinois is for the most part a Democratic lock. The voters of downstate Illinois are essentially disenfranchised and always the Chicago machine will select the winner.

Now look at come concrete results to come of this. We have the infamous "Obamacare" that keeps getting pushed off further and further down the road. Not a SINGLE Republican voted for that legislation and the piper will be paid by those who actually believed the hype that you could keep your present coverage and it wouldn't cost a single dime more. Tell that to the younger people who will have their premiums tripled so they can fund MY medical care costs (I'm 69) while their health costs are relatively low or non-existence. I don't know about you but this sounds like socialism to me.

Is that really what we want? If so, that is what is coming down the road. High unemployment, huge welfare benefits, etc, etc. And California is the core of the problem. If those electoral votes were proportionally divided to give those groups currently disenfranchised this could be fixed. It will be fixed one way or another. We can go into national bankruptcy or we can demand that there be accountability in government. California could lead the way but will they? I tend to doubt it.

California may speak for California but it sure doesn't speak for those of us in "fly-over" country. I'm by no means wealthy but what I see for this country down the road is not a pretty sight. This is why I despise California.

[Radical347]

I grew up in the midwest and I can tell you that the LA hate is not a fiction. Many of these people have never even been to LA either, so it didn't really have much to do with Angelenos' attitudes.

I attribute it mainly to LA being like most everywhere else in Americana, but bigger, badder, busier, scarier, more glamorous, more dangerous, etc. Jealousy of the weather is another likely factor. NYC was spared because it's a whole 'nother world away. San Diego is very accessible, and not as scary, so it's spared. LA, being just within reach, is more accessible than NYC (or even SF), but not accessible enough, and therefore an easier punching bag.

They also like to diminish the benefits of LA (or any other place), simply saying they "don't need it." Year-round good weather? "I don't need that." Hundreds, if not thousands, of restaurants of every type? "I don't need that." etc.

[Bunjee]

rmissourimule, come now. Why are we discussing the presidential election as if one candidate's failure to win is some systemic flaw, or particularly California's fault? Obama won not just the Electoral College but the popular vote, by 3%.

This is now beyond the purpose of the thread, an editorial you seem to want to air regardless and now you've aired it. You may be assured (or surprised) that there are pockets in California that would agree with you. California is quite a diverse state, politically too. And I'm sure you'd be dismayed (hopefully unsurprised) that many Arkansans would disagree with you. I wouldn't know for sure though. I don't go to the Arkansas forums.

[insane4madonna]

Originally Posted by rmissourimule

Hollywood? What is there to say? Freaks, idiots, exhibitionists, every kind of aberrant behavior known to man. What is there to like about this? Most of the rest of us just want to be left alone with "our guns and religion" without a bunch of know it alls telling us what we are to believe.

Your religion (and people like you) are the reason this country its so backwards and cant move foward.
Stay in your redneck village reading your bible and killing animals with your lovely guns.