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Old 11-17-2016, 10:19 AM
 
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Actually I'd say in LA most are hired by other immigrants most likely legal immigrants .
Many business owners from Israel or Iran or other countries in L.A and they will have undocumented people working at their car washes , restaurants or other businesses .
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Seriously. How do you come up with this stuff? What percentage of people in LA are from Israel or Iran and aren't American?

You realize that an American is anyone that is a citizen of the United States, right?

You make these comments and there's zero logic or factual evidence to back it up.
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Old 11-17-2016, 10:27 AM
 
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... You make these comments and there's zero logic or factual evidence to back it up.
jm? "zero logic or factual evidence ?" Why demand logic, facts or evidence? You are so harsh!
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Old 11-17-2016, 01:27 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles (Native)
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Seriously. How do you come up with this stuff? What percentage of people in LA are from Israel or Iran and aren't American?

You realize that an American is anyone that is a citizen of the United States, right?

You make these comments and there's zero logic or factual evidence to back it up.
They are still counted as immigrants even if they are legal citizens. Did you know that?

Really?.. you must be out of touch with who owns small businesses in L.A
Who owns them?
Car washes, dry cleaners, mom and pop restaurants?

Some evidence here :
Regarding particular types of businesses, immigrants make up 61 percent of gas station owners, 58 percent of dry cleaners owners, 45 percent of nail salon owners, and 38 percent of restaurant owners. Locally, in some metropolitan areas, immigrants make up over half of all main street business owners: 64 percent in the Los Angeles metro area, 61 percent in metro San Jose, 56 percent in the Washington, D.C., metro area, and 54 percent in the Miami metro area.

http://immigrationimpact.com/2015/05...onomy-forward/

http://www.inc.com/magazine/201502/a...n-america.html
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Old 11-17-2016, 01:54 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles (Native)
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Angelenos are deeply concerned? Which ones ? Legal or Illegal?
Who is deeply concerned about seeing criminals removed?

Who did Herb Wesson speak to? At least from the comments it seems that everyone is saying this is a horrible idea.

And of course more bureaucracy! A new 'immigrant advocate' position that will be another big waste of taxpayer money. It should be called illegal immigrant advocate.

Wesson’s proposal will be introduced at Tuesday’s council meeting. At City Hall, a new immigrant advocate would need to work closely with Mayor Eric Garcetti’s Office of Immigrant Affairs, Wesson said.



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Worried that Trump will pursue mass deportations once in office, Los Angeles City Council President Herb Wesson announced the effort Thursday, saying Angelenos are “deeply concerned” about changes to federal immigration policies under Trump.


L.A. leaders just vowed to fight deportations under Trump. Here's what they've proposed - LA Times
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Old 11-17-2016, 01:55 PM
 
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Yes , but Garcetti keeps on insisting he will fight and fight for the rights of illegals.
I honestly didn't know there was such a thing, other than conjured up by people who benefit from having illegal immigrants around.
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Old 11-17-2016, 03:35 PM
 
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They are still counted as immigrants even if they are legal citizens. Did you know that?

Really?.. you must be out of touch with who owns small businesses in L.A
Who owns them?
Car washes, dry cleaners, mom and pop restaurants?

Some evidence here :
Regarding particular types of businesses, immigrants make up 61 percent of gas station owners, 58 percent of dry cleaners owners, 45 percent of nail salon owners, and 38 percent of restaurant owners. Locally, in some metropolitan areas, immigrants make up over half of all main street business owners: 64 percent in the Los Angeles metro area, 61 percent in metro San Jose, 56 percent in the Washington, D.C., metro area, and 54 percent in the Miami metro area.

How Immigrant Entrepreneurs Move the U.S. Economy Forward : Immigration Impact

The Most Entrepreneurial Group in America Wasn't Born in America | Inc.com
Let's examine your logic more closely shall we?

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Retards. Americans HIRE these immigrants, then they want to kick them out. You cant be a pimp and a prostitute at the same time.
In very simple English:
Americans hire immigrants.

Now, your response is.

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Originally Posted by jm1982 View Post
Actually I'd say in LA most are hired by other immigrants most likely legal immigrants .
Many business owners from Israel or Iran or other countries in L.A and they will have undocumented people working at their car washes , restaurants or other businesses .
In simple English:
No, in LA (mainly) legal immigrants hire illegals.

Your logic makes these two claims

1) The majority of illegals are hired by legal immigrants
2) Legal immigrants are not Americans

Point #2 is just factually incorrect so long as the legal immigrants have U.S. citizenship vs a green card. If you want to determine what % of business owners in LA are green card owners vs citizens have at it. But I'm willing to be it's over 75% citizens.

Point #1 you made the statement about how a great number of immigrant owners of businesses like hair salons, mom & pop restaurants etc. OK great, seems reasonable, you provided some good articles about it and it goes with what I have observed in the area. Now, here's the problem what % of LA's economy is made up of those TINY businesses? How many jobs do they provide?
What percentage of illegals work at those small businesses? In the grand scheme of thing not a whole lot. They aren't huge employment centers. It's not like landscaping, construction, manual labor which employs MILLIONS of illegals. I don't think the Israeli guy is coming out to LA and becoming a general contractor or a landscaping service. I don't buy is for a second.

Here's a breakdown for the state:

The undocumented alone comprise 38% of the agriculture industry and 14% of the construction industry. immigrants make up the majority of those involved in farming, fishing, and forestry (80%), grounds cleaning and maintenance (62%), production (57%), construc-tion (42%), food preparation and serving (42%), transportation (42%), and personal care and service (37%) jobs.


California Immigrant Policy Center | Contributions Reports - California Immigrant Policy Center

Enjoy the reading material.


If you think undocumented workers aren't working at big chain restaurants and grocery stores (aka owned by white people, or in your terms "Real Americans") you're delusional. It's called fraudulent SS numbers.
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Old 11-17-2016, 03:50 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles (Native)
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It was an example . In LA Israels and Persians own a lot of businesses. Just a fact .

Obviously there are other immigrants that own small businesses too.

I thought we were talking about L.A , of course if you are talking about the whole state of California of course the industries will be different .

How many are working as farmers in the city limits ?
Or fishing or forestry ?

Also yes immigrant contractors are pretty common in L.A .
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Old 11-17-2016, 04:04 PM
 
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Let's examine your logic more closely shall we?

Original statement from Jesse


In very simple English:
Americans hire immigrants.

Now, your response is.



In simple English:
No, in LA (mainly) legal immigrants hire illegals.

Your logic makes these two claims

1) The majority of illegals are hired by legal immigrants
2) Legal immigrants are not Americans

Point #2 is just factually incorrect so long as the legal immigrants have U.S. citizenship vs a green card. If you want to determine what % of business owners in LA are green card owners vs citizens have at it. But I'm willing to be it's over 75% citizens.

Point #1 you made the statement about how a great number of immigrant owners of businesses like hair salons, mom & pop restaurants etc. OK great, seems reasonable, you provided some good articles about it and it goes with what I have observed in the area. Now, here's the problem what % of LA's economy is made up of those TINY businesses? How many jobs do they provide?
What percentage of illegals work at those small businesses? In the grand scheme of thing not a whole lot. They aren't huge employment centers. It's not like landscaping, construction, manual labor which employs MILLIONS of illegals. I don't think the Israeli guy is coming out to LA and becoming a general contractor or a landscaping service. I don't buy is for a second.

Here's a breakdown for the state:

The undocumented alone comprise 38% of the agriculture industry and 14% of the construction industry. immigrants make up the majority of those involved in farming, fishing, and forestry (80%), grounds cleaning and maintenance (62%), production (57%), construc-tion (42%), food preparation and serving (42%), transportation (42%), and personal care and service (37%) jobs.


California Immigrant Policy Center | Contributions Reports - California Immigrant Policy Center

Enjoy the reading material.


If you think undocumented workers aren't working at big chain restaurants and grocery stores (aka owned by white people, or in your terms "Real Americans") you're delusional. It's called fraudulent SS numbers.
Careful! You'll end up on jm's "ignore list" like me. Then your goose will be cooked. By immigrants who own restaurants probably. Maybe Persian restaurants. Do they cook gooseses? I dunno. We should check with jm on that. I'll bet even if he doesn't know exactly he'll have a handle on it.
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Old 11-17-2016, 05:50 PM
 
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Actually I'd say in LA most are hired by other immigrants most likely legal immigrants .
Many business owners from Israel or Iran or other countries in L.A and they will have undocumented people working at their car washes , restaurants or other businesses .
I understand what you're saying, but I just don't think you are being realistic with the percentages and numbers involved here.

As of 2014. Largest employers in LA County. Largest Employers
I don't see Jose's Taco Stand or Ms. Nguyen's Nail Salon.

Employer

Employees

County of Los Angeles

96,500

Los Angeles Unified School District

59,600

City of Los Angeles (including DWP)

46,900*

University of California, Los Angeles

44,000

Federal Government (non-Defense Dept.)

43,400*

Kaiser Permanente

36,000

State of California (non-education)

29,200

Northrop Grumman Corp.

17,000

Target Corp.

15,000

Providence Health & Services

15,000

University of Southern California

14,700

Kroger Co. (Ralphs, Food 4 Less)

13,500

Bank of America

13,500

Long Beach Unified School District

12,300

Metropolitan Transportation Authority (L.A. County)

11,600**

Home Depot

10,600

Boeing Co.

10,500

Cedars-Sinai Medical Center

10,200

Walt Disney Co.

10,200

Wells Fargo

10,000

United Parcel Service (UPS)

9,000

AT&T Inc.

8,900

ABM Industries Inc.

8,400

California Institute of Technology

8,100

Vons

7,800

Edison International

7,700

Fedex Corp.

7,600

Warner Bros. Entertainment Inc.

7,400

Raytheon Co.

6,100

Dignity Health

6,100

Amgen Inc.

6,000

American Apparel

6,000

Universal Services of America

6,000

City of Long Beach

6,000**

Costco Wholesale

5,800

Sony Pictures Entertainment

5,700

Long Beach Memorial Medical Center

5,700

Southern California Gas Co.

5,500

J.P. Morgan Chase

5,000

NBCUniversal

5,000

Paramount Pictures

5,000

Children’s Hospital of Los Angeles

4,900

99 Cents Only Store

4,600

Adventist Health

4,400

Whole Foods Market

4,000

Lockheed Martin Corp.

3,800

Time Warner Cable

3,700

Time Warner Cable

3,700

Huntington Memorial Hospital

3,600

Wal-Mart Stores Inc.

3,500

CSU Long Beach

3,500**

CSU Northridge

3,500**

Federal Government (Defense Department)

3,400

Albertsons Southern California Region

3,400

Torrance Memorial Hospital

3,200

Verizon

3,000

DirecTV

2,900

Farmers Insurance Group

2,800

Toyota Motor Sales USA Inc.

2,700

Aerospace Corp.

2,600
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Old 11-17-2016, 06:06 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles (Native)
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I do realize how big those employers are.
The small businesses add up though. It seems more likely illegals will be working for those small mom and pops versus those big companies or public institutions that probably use E-Verify ,etc.
I'm not saying that it's impossible for illegals to slide through though and work for those big companies.
It's just more likely at "Jose's Taco Stand" where the owner might pay employees in cash.

Of course no employer is going to say how many illegals work for them.
If you have any information that says most illegals are working for large places like Bank of America , LAUSD , city of L.A versus smaller places or as gardeners, housekeepers , then I'd like to see that.

Most small businesses are run by immigrants in L.A and I had just stated that it's likely that illegal immigrants are being hired by other immigrants. It was just a comment but perhaps there was some misunderstanding?

Seems like we agree anyways.
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