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By refusing to consider education for everyone regardless of financial station, you are accepting the loss of living in a society of people who are all contributing to the tax base.
No I live in a society full of folks who by whatever reason chose not to get an education, or who don't possess the aptitude or discipline to earn a college degree, or who made bad choices early in life that resulted in a permanent life mistake that makes it virtually impossible to attend college even if it was offered for free.
I think a useful college education should be free for anyone who demonstrates the mental aptitude for college and who has the environment that enables them to be successful in college. A lot of people try college but drop out. What a waste of money for the government if 70% of the population does this.
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Then you need to say "accountability". There is a huge, huge difference between accountability and control. You said this: "We are responsible for the makes or breaks we encounter in this life. I am a firm believer in that. I also believe that we are 100% responsible for ourselves as adults and everything that happens to us."
it sure sounds like you think any person can control whatever happens to him in his lifetime when you say things like that.
No that is not at all what I am saying. People are responsible for the choices they make in their lives that lands them in whatever situation they land in. Even if a person makes the choice without knowing how the end result would be...they are still accountable for whatever the end result is...since they made the choice to take that risk. Are you saying that people are not responsible for the choice they make in life regardless if these decisions/choices were made intelligently or not? I don't believe in blaming others for the good or bad choices that I make or the end result of those choices. We are responsible for the decisions we make in life. We are fully accountable for the end result of those decisions. I know the bleeding heart love to blame the world for their or anyone else's problems brought on by their own personal choices and decisions in life.
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But as long as we're talking about it, what kind of accountability should a person take when his house burns down, his job is sent overseas, his landlord evicts him to sell his apartment building, or when his or her spouse walks out, leaving the other to now work and raise their children alone?
Accountability for their lives regardless of whatever event occurs. Hopefully the person with the house that burned down established a good homeowners insurance policy. My partners father lost his cool manufactured home in the Bastrop fires at the age of 83. Lost everything but an iron skillet. He did not have a good policy and had to start over in his 80's. He does not have a lot of money but he started over and bought a small cheap house deep in the heart of Texas.
The renter just has to realize it's not his property and be accountable for the fact that as a renter you are always going to be at the mercy of the property owner. He is fully accountable for choosing to live in a place owned by an individual. Perhaps they should rent a corporate apartment instead.
When spouse walks out, the other person needs to take accountability for having children in a risk situation where the stats show a high probability of a spouse walking out and now they have to take accountability for themselves and their children. If more women would realize that just because you have a spouse and kids that this is a done deal set in store forever, perhaps they would not be so quick to have babies without being able to fully support themselves if the spouse walks out. We would see a lot less single mothers who are barely able to scrape by.
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Then why are there still homeless people on the streets?
Because some want to be, some are mentally ill, some are drugged out and refuse rehabilitation. Some have zero life skills on how to get off the streets. There are lots of other reasons as well.
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From what I've been told, in a fair market, supply and demand rule. In other words, if employers need to hire more people because they can't find anyone to work for them, they will raise their wages. Apparently, that's either not happening or it's not true - or both:
It's most likely not true. Salary range is the range of pay established by employers to pay to employees performing a particular job or function. ... The salary range is determined by market pay rates, established through market pay studies, for people doing similar work in similar industries in the same region of the country.
It makes sense to me that countries such as Australia won't allow immigrants to easily gain entry for work unless that immigrant has a high skill which is in short supply in Australia.
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Maybe the market isn't as fair as everyone would like to think.
Or maybe it's not as unfair as some people like to think.
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I think we've been through this many times before.
Then stop rehashing it over and over. I have been over this with you many times as well.
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The next question then becomes, what do you do with the other homeless people? The ones who are not always visible on the streets, but sleep in cars and campers and have full time jobs, and who may be going to college at the same time? These are the ones who work as receptionists, teachers, restaurant managers, cashiers, cooks, and even with their jobs, they can't find a place to live that they can afford.
It's not up to me to do anything with people who can hold a job but choose to live in unaffordable places. If you don't think this is fair then perhaps you can feel free to supplement them from your own funds as you see fit.
If you think housing shortages are bad now...you have not seen anything yet as the US population continues upward and we keep our boards open to the world.
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Or the ones that may be disabled, or elderly and can't work a job. What services are going to help them get off the street?
My elderly mother worked until she was 72. She now lives off of her savings and her SS. However the elderly and disabled are given a bad deal in the US if they have not saved enough before they become elderly or disabled. SS and SSDI are not designed to be full financial support.
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Do you seriously think if these people could afford an apartment or a place to live, they wouldn't already be in it?
Yes I do.
If I lived in a non-socialist country I would take full accountability as I now do...for how my life shapes out. I know SS is not going to fully fund me if I make it to my elder years. I know that college is not free here. I understand that at any moment I can become disabled. I know that making permanent life mistakes can dampen and even destroy my plans for success. Knowing that if I don't learn a trade, skill, or earn a useful college degree that my chances of living comfortable and being fully self sufficient are going to be impossible if I don't marry a rich man or win the lottery. However I understand that no human relationship is guaranteed for life and we all know the odds of winning the lottery.
Knowing these facts helps anyone to make better decisions for planning their life.
No I live in a society full of folks who by whatever reason chose not to get an education, or who don't possess the aptitude or discipline to earn a college degree, or who made bad choices early in life that resulted in a permanent life mistake that makes it virtually impossible to attend college even if it was offered for free.
I think a useful college education should be free for anyone who demonstrates the mental aptitude for college and who has the environment that enables them to be successful in college. A lot of people try college but drop out. What a waste of money for the government if 70% of the population does this.
No that is not at all what I am saying. People are responsible for the choices they make in their lives that lands them in whatever situation they land in. Even if a person makes the choice without knowing how the end result would be...they are still accountable for whatever the end result is...since they made the choice to take that risk. Are you saying that people are not responsible for the choice they make in life regardless if these decisions/choices were made intelligently or not? I don't believe in blaming others for the good or bad choices that I make or the end result of those choices. We are responsible for the decisions we make in life. We are fully accountable for the end result of those decisions. I know the bleeding heart love to blame the world for their or anyone else's problems brought on by their own personal choices and decisions in life.
Accountability for their lives regardless of whatever event occurs. Hopefully the person with the house that burned down established a good homeowners insurance policy. My partners father lost his cool manufactured home in the Bastrop fires at the age of 83. Lost everything but an iron skillet. He did not have a good policy and had to start over in his 80's. He does not have a lot of money but he started over and bought a small cheap house deep in the heart of Texas.
The renter just has to realize it's not his property and be accountable for the fact that as a renter you are always going to be at the mercy of the property owner. He is fully accountable for choosing to live in a place owned by an individual. Perhaps they should rent a corporate apartment instead.
When spouse walks out, the other person needs to take accountability for having children in a risk situation where the stats show a high probability of a spouse walking out and now they have to take accountability for themselves and their children. If more women would realize that just because you have a spouse and kids that this is a done deal set in store forever, perhaps they would not be so quick to have babies without being able to fully support themselves if the spouse walks out. We would see a lot less single mothers who are barely able to scrape by.
Because some want to be, some are mentally ill, some are drugged out and refuse rehabilitation. Some have zero life skills on how to get off the streets. There are lots of other reasons as well.
It's most likely not true. Salary range is the range of pay established by employers to pay to employees performing a particular job or function. ... The salary range is determined by market pay rates, established through market pay studies, for people doing similar work in similar industries in the same region of the country.
It makes sense to me that countries such as Australia won't allow immigrants to easily gain entry for work unless that immigrant has a high skill which is in short supply in Australia.
Or maybe it's not as unfair as some people like to think.
Then stop rehashing it over and over. I have been over this with you many times as well.
It's not up to me to do anything with people who can hold a job but choose to live in unaffordable places. If you don't think this is fair then perhaps you can feel free to supplement them from your own funds as you see fit.
If you think housing shortages are bad now...you have not seen anything yet as the US population continues upward and we keep our boards open to the world.
My elderly mother worked until she was 72. She now lives off of her savings and her SS. However the elderly and disabled are given a bad deal in the US if they have not saved enough before they become elderly or disabled. SS and SSDI are not designed to be full financial support.
Yes I do.
If I lived in a non-socialist country I would take full accountability as I now do...for how my life shapes out. I know SS is not going to fully fund me if I make it to my elder years. I know that college is not free here. I understand that at any moment I can become disabled. I know that making permanent life mistakes can dampen and even destroy my plans for success. Knowing that if I don't learn a trade, skill, or earn a useful college degree that my chances of living comfortable and being fully self sufficient are going to be impossible if I don't marry a rich man or win the lottery. However I understand that no human relationship is guaranteed for life and we all know the odds of winning the lottery.
Knowing these facts helps anyone to make better decisions for planning their life.
This is some really debbie downer stuff, I need to find a new christian forum or something.
This is some really debbie downer stuff, I need to find a new christian forum or something.
If you think my post is a Debbie Downer then this tells me that you have your head stuck so deep in the sand that you don't know what's real from what's false.
The real Debbie Downer is the fate of the US and the ugly reality of what this country has become.
Next take a good look at CA. This was once a great state which is now plagued with much dysfunction and the homeless situation is a great example if you need one.
If you think my post is a Debbie Downer then this tells me that you have your head stuck so deep in the sand that you don't know what's real from what's false.
The real Debbie Downer is the fate of the US and the ugly reality of what this country has become.
Next take a good look at CA. This was once a great state which is now plagued with much dysfunction and the homeless situation is a great example if you need one.
Same can be said for the US in general.
You have been blunt but absolutely truthful. Some can't stand the idea they or anyone else makes bad decisions and must live with the results of that.
Have you been to LA? The homeless problem isn't hidden in the city. Why would you need to read about it if you've actually been to LA?
I live in suburb of Los Angeles. We don't have very many homeless people in my city. No, I did not realize how bad the problem has gotten until I read about it.
Please stop questioning every poster who you believe does not live in this area. And even if they don't live here, they're free to post on any thread they like.
Some lucky, lucky people would have no idea how bad the "homeless" problem has gotten unless they read about it......
... some not-so-lucky people get to meet martinez...... https://www.ocregister.com/2018/04/1...in-three-days/
mentally ill, a harm to himself and others, yet breaking into homes etc.. the left wingers don't want him in a nice warm facility where he can get care and support and he is no longer harming others and hopefully himself...
Without more harm and problems how will dirty jerry get people to vote for emergency "homeless" response tax(es).... the excons and mentally ill being used to forward the prime directive.. everyone HAS to get the idea of how bad the "homeless problem is...one way or another... sadly... the hard way for most of us.... the homeless are building more camps themselves, and there are lots more of them now..
Sooooo...the question presents itself... where is martinez now? the poor, innocent folks that he has terrorized twice must realize that martinez might be upset that they called the police (who may have set him loose very quickly) and that martinez is now outside, cold and hungry AGAIN! Martinez probably just wants a nice place where nice people watch over him and care for him...like a mental hospital!!!! Martinez is not a happy camper I bet... third time's a charm eh martinez?? ohhhhh dirty, dirty jerry.... and of course his voter base... thankfully there are enough kind, caring patriots to continue to fight TOGETHER against this nefarious scheme and restore California and the US.
I actually hope that martinez and his victims (past and present) have a great day...they probably won't tho... too bad huh?
Such a waste of humanity and resources... and a pitiful microcosm ...
Some lucky, lucky people would have no idea how bad the "homeless" problem has gotten unless they read about it......
... some not-so-lucky people get to meet martinez...... https://www.ocregister.com/2018/04/1...in-three-days/
mentally ill, a harm to himself and others, yet breaking into homes etc.. the left wingers don't want him in a nice warm facility where he can get care and support and he is no longer harming others and hopefully himself...
Without more harm and problems how will dirty jerry get people to vote for emergency "homeless" response tax(es).... the excons and mentally ill being used to forward the prime directive.. everyone HAS to get the idea of how bad the "homeless problem is...one way or another... sadly... the hard way for most of us.... the homeless are building more camps themselves, and there are lots more of them now..
Sooooo...the question presents itself... where is martinez now? the poor, innocent folks that he has terrorized twice must realize that martinez might be upset that they called the police (who may have set him loose very quickly) and that martinez is now outside, cold and hungry AGAIN! Martinez probably just wants a nice place where nice people watch over him and care for him...like a mental hospital!!!! Martinez is not a happy camper I bet... third time's a charm eh martinez?? ohhhhh dirty, dirty jerry.... and of course his voter base... thankfully there are enough kind, caring patriots to continue to fight TOGETHER against this nefarious scheme and restore California and the US.
If Martinez was in my condo either him or me wouldn't get out alive. Maybe that's what the politicians want... one less homeless guy on the streets or a conservative killed.
We've had a homeless guy living in the bushes outside my condo for the last 3 years. Luckily he's not crazy just a sad drunk.
This is some really debbie downer stuff, I need to find a new christian forum or something.
"By the sweat of your brow you will eat your food until you return to the ground, since from it you were taken; for dust you are and to dust you will return.”
"Those who work their land will have abundant food, but those who chase fantasies have no sense."
"All hard work brings a profit, but mere talk leads only to poverty."
The Bible is pretty clear about what God expects of believers.
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