The Los Angeles Homeless Containment Thread (Sacramento, Brea: low income, for sale, real estate)

[CA4Now]

Originally Posted by movedintime

What I meant was social security. It was never intended to be given to everybody who ever worked. It's intent was to assist the elderly who were no longer able to work. Also the disabled, blind etc. and as a public welfare so the less fortunate & elderly would Not be living on the streets.

Somewhere along the line, everyone starting using it as a kicker to their savings as a way to finance that cruise ship vacation, or new car in their retirement.

If social security was used as intended, many of the homeless would not be homeless. Not all of coarse, but the majority would have sufficient funds to live in an affordable area without the need to stay in L.A. to beg from the masses.

So you believe that the reason most people are homeless is because they've used their SS money to finance luxury cruises and expensive cars? You can't be serious.

[expatCA]

Originally Posted by movedintime

No. What I meant was social security. It was never intended to be given to everybody who ever worked. It's intent was to assist the elderly who were no longer able to work. Also the disabled, blind etc. and as a public welfare so the less fortunate & elderly would Not be living on the streets.

Somewhere along the line, everyone starting using it as a kicker to their savings as a way to finance that cruise ship vacation, or new car in their retirement.

If social security was used as intended, many of the homeless would not be homeless. Not all of coarse, but the majority would have sufficient funds to live in an affordable area without the need to stay in L.A. to beg from the masses.

Read it again. It was initially designed to help those who worked to have some assistance in retirement, though not enough to cover all their costs.


Over the years it has been updated to help those with serious disabilities. This has increased the cost. When I started working the deduction was a lot smaller than now. The level of salary it was limited to has gone up a huge amount to. Mind you, I do not believe there should be any cap on income subject to the tax.


Many of the homeless are on SSI and still live on the streets because they are on drugs and alcohol that eat up their funds. Giving them more would not cure their problem. The ones who can be helped are usually not on any form of Social Security as they are healthy and younger and are working or looking for work. Some get Gov't assistance in several forms and usually are no longer homeless within 2 years. The major problem is the ones who do not want to change their lives at all.

[movedintime]

Originally Posted by CA4Now

So you believe that the reason most people are homeless is because they've used their SS money to finance luxury cruises and expensive cars? You can't be serious.

Not at all. Not what I said. Please read again

[movedintime]

Originally Posted by expatCA

Read it again. It was initially designed to help those who worked to have some assistance in retirement, though not enough to cover all their costs.


Over the years it has been updated to help those with serious disabilities. This has increased the cost. When I started working the deduction was a lot smaller than now. The level of salary it was limited to has gone up a huge amount to. Mind you, I do not believe there should be any cap on income subject to the tax.


Many of the homeless are on SSI and still live on the streets because they are on drugs and alcohol that eat up their funds. Giving them more would not cure their problem. The ones who can be helped are usually not on any form of Social Security as they are healthy and younger and are working or looking for work. Some get Gov't assistance in several forms and usually are no longer homeless within 2 years. The major problem is the ones who do not want to change their lives at all.

Read it again. Original purpose was for the elderly, disabled etc. to provide the financial support to Not live on the streets.

https://www.ssa.gov › history › 35act

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by movedintime

Read it again. Original purpose was for the elderly, disabled etc. to provide the financial support to Not live on the streets.

https://www.ssa.gov › history › 35act

Lol. You keep linking this generic Social Security page that says nothing about your claim. Try again.

[expatCA]

Originally Posted by Tulemutt

Lol. You keep linking this generic Social Security page that says nothing about your claim. Try again.

He needs to read this:


https://www.ssa.gov/history/briefhistory3.html


It is called a brief history but it isn't brief.

[movedintime]

Originally Posted by expatCA

He needs to read this:


https://www.ssa.gov/history/briefhistory3.html


It is called a brief history but it isn't brief.

I did take the time to read the link you posted. I could not find in it anywhere that says all who worked & paid into SS will be paid back a portion of any kind.

[movedintime]

Originally Posted by Tulemutt

Lol. You keep linking this generic Social Security page that says nothing about your claim. Try again.

I wouldn't call the law signed by a president of the U.S. generic.

Maybe the link did not work for you. If you are interested in seeing the law, type "purpose of social security act' into Google.

[CA4Now]

Originally Posted by jm1982

I don’t see why we should be paying for anybody that comes here from elsewhere.

We're not, as has been pointed out to you before.

Originally Posted by jm1982

People are taking advantage of us

Someone certainly took advantage of this man. Horrible.

Homeless man burned to death in skid row area:
https://www.latimes.com/california/s...-skid-row-area

[2sleepy]

Originally Posted by expatCA

Read it again. It was initially designed to help those who worked to have some assistance in retirement, though not enough to cover all their costs.


Over the years it has been updated to help those with serious disabilities. This has increased the cost. When I started working the deduction was a lot smaller than now. The level of salary it was limited to has gone up a huge amount to. Mind you, I do not believe there should be any cap on income subject to the tax.


Many of the homeless are on SSI and still live on the streets because they are on drugs and alcohol that eat up their funds. Giving them more would not cure their problem. The ones who can be helped are usually not on any form of Social Security as they are healthy and younger and are working or looking for work. Some get Gov't assistance in several forms and usually are no longer homeless within 2 years. The major problem is the ones who do not want to change their lives at all.

Show me a rental in LA that you can get for $910 which is how much an SSI recipient receives. The problem is that many of the homeless receive SSI, SSDI or SS pensions but it doesn't even cover a motel room for more than a week or two. In LA as well as other urban areas, SRO's and cheap motels have been torn down with no thought about what will happen to the people living in them.

Chicago requires that before a motel is torn down or sold it has to be offered for sale to the City so that it could be rehabbed and converted into low cost housing. On the other hand Reno is tearing down as many old motels and hotels as they can. They kept a lot of people off the streets for many years because you could rent a room for $100-$150 a week which is affordable to many low income people and retirees. Here is a group of people at a meeting about tearing down the motels, most of them are (were) residents of those motels. Take a look at them, they don't look very scary do they? I can't help but wonder what they will look like after sleeping on the sidewalk for a year or two.


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