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Yep going back to the 9th and if they keep the decision in force it will go back to the Supreme Court again. The 9th has had more decisions over turned by the Supreme Court than any other one, so who knows.
When is the last time that the Supreme Court refused to hear a case and then said "oops we changed our mind now we will hear the case"?
PS fact check that claim. About the 9th having the highest rate of overturned decisions, its wrong its something that Trump and Ben Sasse said but it's not accurate https://www.politifact.com/factcheck...cord-close-80/
I can't find that ^ in the article you linked or anywhere else, would you please provide a source citing that 20% of known murder suspects were vagrants? There were 349 homicides in LA in 2020 and every source I've read said that most were the result of gang violence or domestic violence, so I'm really curious about where you found the 20% number.
Admittedly, it is difficult to find the statistics, as journalists don't want to be labelled as demonizing the homeless. If you don't look, you won't find it, but it is fairly easy to piece together from stats listed in various different articles:
From an NBC article in late Nov 2020:
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"Homicides involving persons experiencing homelessness as a victim has now grown to 19%," Chief Moore said,
From an article on NPR at the beginning of 2020 discussing increasing numbers of homeless homicide victims in the city of Los Angeles:
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In about two-thirds of the homicides with homeless victims in 2019, the suspects were also known to be homeless.
So 19% x 0.67= Minimum of 13% of homicides the suspect is homeless. However, while it varies from year to year, somewhere around 20% of murders in LA have no known suspect. My guess is it would be higher for homeless victims, so virtually all of the homeless homicides with a suspect were committed by other homeless. There might be a few comitted by housed gang members and drug dealers, but in reality 90+% of the homeless murders being committed by other homeless is a conservative estimate.
So 19% x .9= 17%. Unfortunately, vagrants also kill housed people like the young man in Beverly Grove, so that is where the other 3% come from.
Admittedly, it is difficult to find the statistics, as journalists don't want to be labelled as demonizing the homeless. If you don't look, you won't find it, but it is fairly easy to piece together from stats listed in various different articles:
From an NBC article in late Nov 2020:
From an article on NPR at the beginning of 2020 discussing increasing numbers of homeless homicide victims in the city of Los Angeles:
So 19% x 0.67= Minimum of 13% of homicides the suspect is homeless. However, while it varies from year to year, somewhere around 20% of murders in LA have no known suspect. My guess is it would be higher for homeless victims, so virtually all of the homeless homicides with a suspect were committed by other homeless. There might be a few comitted by housed gang members and drug dealers, but in reality 90+% of the homeless murders being committed by other homeless is a conservative estimate.
So 19% x .9= 17%. Unfortunately, vagrants also kill housed people like the young man in Beverly Grove, so that is where the other 3% come from.
I don't think your math works and you are doing a lot of guessing there. There were 349 homicides in LA in 2020, if 20% were killed by homeless people that would mean that 70 homeless people were responsible for committing homicide, that just doesn't make much sense. If you use 2019 data, there were 253 homicides, if the homeless were responsible for 20% of them that would be 51 homeless homicide suspects. The other thing to consider is that in 2020 258 of the homicide victims were killed by a gun. At least in my experience not many homeless people have guns. So to come up with your 20% number almost every homicide not involving a gun would have to have been committed by a homeless person, and I can guarantee you if that happened it would have been front page news across the US.
I don't think your math works and you are doing a lot of guessing there. There were 349 homicides in LA in 2020, if 20% were killed by homeless people that would mean that 70 homeless people were responsible for committing homicide, that just doesn't make much sense. If you use 2019 data, there were 253 homicides, if the homeless were responsible for 20% of them that would be 51 homeless homicide suspects. The other thing to consider is that in 2020 258 of the homicide victims were killed by a gun. At least in my experience not many homeless people have guns. So to come up with your 20% number almost every homicide not involving a gun would have to have been committed by a homeless person, and I can guarantee you if that happened it would have been front page news across the US.
Talk about fuzzy math. You think Chief Moore and LAPD are lying to NBC and NPR about the number of homeless homicide victims and perps? And, your experience with homeless not having guns? Go ahead and keep burying your head in the sand.
I'll give you that a much higher percentage of homeless murderers stab or bludgeon their victims to death than housed murderers, but many shoot their victims to death as well. The one they arrested in Griffith Park last year had shot his 4 victims to death (The shootings were in Palmdale, but he later moved his camp to and was arrested in Griffith Park). The one that stabbed 3 to death along the LA River was also charged with being a felon in possesion of a firearm. To ignore that many have guns is just being willfully ignorant. In reality, 20% is a conservative underestimation.
Talk about fuzzy math. You think Chief Moore and LAPD are lying to NBC and NPR about the number of homeless homicide victims and perps?
Read what he said again, he never said 20% of homicides are committed by homeless people.
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"Homicides involving persons experiencing homelessness as a victim has now grown to 19%, Chief Moore said"
and in that same article Chief Moore says this (which you conveniently ignored)
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LAPD Chief Michel Moore said Monday the city has counted its 302nd murder in 2020 as the result of a steady increase in street violence since the summer, when long-running gang feuds reignited, leaving dozens dead and injured.
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And, your experience with homeless not having guns? Go ahead and keep burying your head in the sand.
Extensive, but next time you are out and about ask a cop, or go to your local Police Dept and ask how many homeless people are armed with guns.
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I'll give you that a much higher percentage of homeless murderers stab or bludgeon their victims to death than housed murderers, but many shoot their victims to death as well. The one they arrested in Griffith Park last year had shot his 4 victims to death (The shootings were in Palmdale, but he later moved his camp to and was arrested in Griffith Park). The one that stabbed 3 to death along the LA River was also charged with being a felon in possesion of a firearm. To ignore that many have guns is just being willfully ignorant. In reality, 20% is a conservative underestimation.
None of that proves your claims. I would suggest that you read this which pertains to 2020 crime in LA:
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Homeless individuals are particularly susceptible to street violence, and L.A. has more than 35,000 people estimated to be living on the street. Last year, nearly 3,600 people experiencing homelessness were reported to be victims of violence or property crimes, while more than 5,700 were either arrested or suspected in such crimes, according to LAPD data
5700 homeless arrested or suspected in either violent or property crimes; that's 5700 out of a total of 90,413 arrests in LA for that year. So for all arrests; theft, rape, homicide, assault, domestic violence, etc. homeless people were arrested (or suspected) in fewer than 4% of them. So a cohort of people who were arrested for 4% of all crimes in LA somehow committed 20% of all homicides?
Admittedly, it is difficult to find the statistics, as journalists don't want to be labelled as demonizing the homeless. If you don't look, you won't find it, but it is fairly easy to piece together from stats listed in various different articles:
From an NBC article in late Nov 2020:
From an article on NPR at the beginning of 2020 discussing increasing numbers of homeless homicide victims in the city of Los Angeles:
So 19% x 0.67= Minimum of 13% of homicides the suspect is homeless. However, while it varies from year to year, somewhere around 20% of murders in LA have no known suspect. My guess is it would be higher for homeless victims, so virtually all of the homeless homicides with a suspect were committed by other homeless. There might be a few comitted by housed gang members and drug dealers, but in reality 90+% of the homeless murders being committed by other homeless is a conservative estimate.
So 19% x .9= 17%. Unfortunately, vagrants also kill housed people like the young man in Beverly Grove, so that is where the other 3% come from.
Texamich - no offense, really ... but your postulations on this topic are among the most misinformed and mis-analyzed as any I’ve ever read. You’re an intelligent guy, however here I think you’ve read poorly and failed to educate yourself more broadly on the subject. The facts are that homeless people DO suffer a lot of crime among themselves, including violent crime. But you seem, as many others often do, to extrapolate the homeless-on-homeless crime to homeless violence extending into our general population. Further fact-finding, if you care to engage, reveals that violent crime occurs against homeless people perpetrated by non-homeless far far more often ... including thrill murders (specifically because certain people think crimes against homeless are deserved and or, frankly, amusing as the homeless are stereotyped as sub-human).
The numbers of violent assaults against homeless by non-homeless are documented extensively by law enforcement - cases in the many thousands, murders by hundreds and hundreds. Worst places in the nation? Southern California and Florida.
And yes, a few of us who often correct myths and misinformation in this thread DO have extensive, direct experience with the homeless ... and though I haven’t bothered to trot out links and stats for you in this post, I have in many other posts in this long thread ... and can again.
Mythologizing and falsely stereotyping the homeless is dangerous and counterproductive to problem solving. Better, folks who are concerned and interested should ask questions rather than just shoot poorly structured theories from the hip.
Article in today's WaPo that Federal District Court Judge David O. Carter might stick his nose into the issue and mandate action by authorities.
Excerpts:
"Federal District Court Judge David O. Carter now sits in judgment in a civil suit brought last March by residents and business leaders against the city and county. The plaintiffs charge that the local governments have wasted public funds, endangered citizens and ignored their duty as the homeless crisis has spread. They are seeking immediate relief and action. Many say Carter will rule in the plaintiffs’ favor soon. ... Carter could seize not only the incoming stimulus funds — perhaps a billion or more for the city and county — along with the billion-plus already voted in bonds by local residents to address the crisis — and sweep away the deadlocked bureaucracy that hasn’t fixed the problem ... he could take the list of available properties already provided to the court — there are more than 14,000 available properties owned by local governments in the county — and invite the private sector to construct temporary and permanent housing across the sprawling geography of the region. There is no lack of space or money, only will and purpose. ... The homeless crisis in California cries out for the third branch of government to step in where the first two have failed so comprehensively...."
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Article in today's WaPo that Federal District Court Judge David O. Carter might stick his nose into the issue and mandate action by authorities.
Excerpts:
"Federal District Court Judge David O. Carter now sits in judgment in a civil suit brought last March by residents and business leaders against the city and county. The plaintiffs charge that the local governments have wasted public funds, endangered citizens and ignored their duty as the homeless crisis has spread. They are seeking immediate relief and action. Many say Carter will rule in the plaintiffs’ favor soon. ... Carter could seize not only the incoming stimulus funds — perhaps a billion or more for the city and county — along with the billion-plus already voted in bonds by local residents to address the crisis — and sweep away the deadlocked bureaucracy that hasn’t fixed the problem ... he could take the list of available properties already provided to the court — there are more than 14,000 available properties owned by local governments in the county — and invite the private sector to construct temporary and permanent housing across the sprawling geography of the region. There is no lack of space or money, only will and purpose. ... The homeless crisis in California cries out for the third branch of government to step in where the first two have failed so comprehensively...."
I don't think the judges power extends to the kinds of action that Hugh Hewitt claims would be allowed. This lawsuit calls for the County to buy or rent 30,000 houses across LA and house homeless people in them. Can you imagine the pushback from residents in those neighborhoods? I've read a few other articles about this and one of them mentions that various cities in LA county refuse to allow homeless to stay in hotels or motels, so I don't know how that issue would be handled. And it doesn't appear that the Judge is going to rule on this in the near future, LA County has filed a motion to be dismissed from this case and that will be ruled on in May. https://www.dailynews.com/2021/03/29...sness-lawsuit/
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