Politico: Governor Newsom Given High Marks for His Coronavirus Response (Los Angeles: living in, restaurants)

[SandyCo]

We can't set goals until we know where we are now, which requires testing. And yes, everybody should be tested - unless you're willing to wait until the second half of 2021 for a vaccine.

How will everyone get tested? I don't know about the practical details; I just understand what has to happen before we even think about reopening everything on a grand scale. I don't think it would take a year to test everyone, but of course, I could be wrong.

Here is an article that highlights why testing is needed - pre-symptomatic carriers!

https://www.latimes.com/science/stor...ilent-spreader

Originally Posted by TimTheEnchanter

a) you miss the point
b) there is no immunity

On a), the whole point I made was about real metrics. There are zero metrics in any of the points. How do you know if you are hitting your goals if there are no goals set?

From a practical standpoint, how do you propose to "get everyone tested"? CA has 40-45 million people (no one knows the actual population due to illegal immigration and their desire to remain invisible). How to you plan to get them tested, record that they've been tested and what will the rules (laws) be about that information and access to it?

On b) South Korea is showing reinfection of people who were positive, then tested negative and now are testing positive again. You are right that we don't have enough data (worldwide especially) and unless we get access to the raw data, not just summaries of data, we won't have a clue for a year at least, maybe two years. We can't stay at home for a year or two.

[SandyCo]

Here are some interesting numbers. Michigan and L.A. County have very similar populations.

L.A. County: 10,040,000
Michigan: 10,020,472

Of course, Michigan is much bigger than L.A. County.

Michigan: 96,712 square miles
L.A. County: 4,751 square miles

However, the number of COVID-19 cases is almost 3x more in Michigan than in L.A. County!

Michigan: 29,263
L.A. County: 10,854

I'm not sure why this is, but it's such an interesting difference. Michigan is #4 on Worldometer's list of states, behind New York, New Jersey, and Massachusetts. Michigan has more cases than the entire state of California (which is home to almost 40 million people). Social distancing for the win?

[TimTheEnchanter]

Originally Posted by SandyCo

We can't set goals until we know where we are now

You know that makes no sense right? You HAVE to set goals to find out where you are, i.e. "Complete testing of 50% of Californians by May 15". If you don't set goals how would you measure progress in whether of not to lift the Stay At Home?

Originally Posted by SandyCo

How will everyone get tested? I don't know about the practical details; I just understand what has to happen before we even think about reopening everything on a grand scale.

You don't know about the "practical details" of testing 40 MILLION plus people, but think the state shouldn't reopen until we do? The "practical details" are precisely what make it impractical.

Originally Posted by SandyCo

Here are some interesting numbers. Michigan and L.A. County have very similar populations.

L.A. County: 10,040,000
Michigan: 10,020,472

Of course, Michigan is much bigger than L.A. County.

Michigan: 96,712 square miles
L.A. County: 4,751 square miles

However, the number of COVID-19 cases is almost 3x more in Michigan than in L.A. County!

Michigan: 29,263
L.A. County: 10,854

I'm not sure why this is, but it's such an interesting difference.

Pretty simple when you look at the details. Over 22,000 of MI's cases are in the three counties of the Detroit area and their land area is around 2,000 square miles. People in those three counties obviously didn't heed any advice.

[TimTheEnchanter]

Originally Posted by CA4Now

From reading your other posts, it sounds as if it would.

Originally Posted by Tulemutt

Lol ... gotta enjoy his “Conspiracy synapses” reference

I understand how people who never look at sources, never question assumptions, never think beyond what is handed to them can accept blindly what it is that is handed to them. Sometimes coincidences are just that, but when all three sources all bear the same publish date; a thinking person would wonder if it was coincidental, or something different.

Originally Posted by CA4Now

Under-reporting has now become "guessing"?

When there is no basis of fact, yes, then it is guessing.

Originally Posted by CA4Now

To whose benefit would that be?

There are financial benefits, political benefits, credibility/ego benefits. Many people have their own stake in the game.

[CA4Now]

Originally Posted by TimTheEnchanter

I understand how people who never look at sources, never question assumptions, never think beyond what is handed to them can accept blindly what it is that is handed to them.

Yet you appear to operate under a huge amount of confirmation bias.

An exaggerated death count is a persistent talking point. On April 4, Owens tweeted "State departments of Public Health are reporting the number of deaths BEFORE the medical examiners have even concluded the cause of death," she said. "There would be no legitimate way to report how many people die daily."

Are Owens’ claims correct? We asked her for evidence but did not hear back. What we found is that her statement is at odds with doctors, who say the data, in fact, reflects an undercount.

Here’s why the details of death reporting back up the doctors more than the pundits...

“Everyone is only dying of coronavirus now”: https://www.politifact.com/factcheck...t-doctors-fie/

Originally Posted by TimTheEnchanter

There are financial benefits, political benefits, credibility/ego benefits. Many people have their own stake in the game.

It's truly doubtful that physicians are purposely stating false information. But you can believe whatever you want.

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by CA4Now

Yet you appear to operate under a huge amount of confirmation bias.
...

It's truly doubtful that physicians are purposely stating false information. But you can believe whatever you want.

To say nothing of how hard it is in this age to hide conspiracies of international size and scope ... just as news can be falsely generated, it is also rabidly covered accurately. The trick is discrimination of the sourcing.

But so many are enchanted with the idea (and even hope!) that conspiracies are afoot and can explain things that run counter to a preferred ideology.

[PilgrimsProgress]

As other states open up, if Gruesome Newsom drags his feet, we will be having massive protests like they just had in Michigan which made Gov. Witless change her tune. We are in good shape considering the large size of our population to numbers of deaths.

[Mike930]

Originally Posted by PilgrimsProgress

As other states open up, if Gruesome Newsom drags his feet, we will be having massive protests like they just had in Michigan which made Gov. Witless change her tune. We are in good shape considering the large size of our population to numbers of deaths.

The restaurant ban is idiotic. I was getting take out and there’s a bunch of people standing around waiting for their food. What’s the difference between standing and sitting? There’s no reason why they can’t open for dine in at 30-50% capacity.

Newsom may have high marks for his initial response, but his reopening “plan” is severely lacking.

[CA4Now]

Originally Posted by PilgrimsProgress

As other states open up, if Gruesome Newsom drags his feet, we will be having massive protests.... We are in good shape considering the large size of our population to numbers of deaths.

That sure isn't the case in L.A. County.

California reached a grim new milestone Friday (today, 4/17) in the fight against the coronavirus, as the number of deaths attributed to COVID-19 surpassed 1,000.

Los Angeles County reported 40 more deaths Friday and 567 new cases, for a total of 495 deaths and 11,391 cases.

The rising death toll comes even as the growth of coronavirus cases appears to be slowing in the state. Officials have cautiously credited strict stay-at-home orders for the deceleration but say the trend could reverse if the restrictions are lifted too soon.

Coronavirus-linked fatalities reached another one-day high in Los Angeles County on Thursday as health officials confirmed 52 additional deaths for a total of 457. It marked the third straight day the county has seen a record number of COVID-19 deaths, according to the county’s tally.

https://www.latimes.com/california/s...-a-is-hard-hit

[Mike930]

Reading this article, I wonder if Newsom and his cronies are planning to take advantage of this crisis to push another agenda. He’s forming a task force made up of business leaders and four former governors. There’s also this:

From the article:

“But the task force also notably includes environmentalists, labor leaders and social justice advocates. Newsom said he wanted not just to restart the economy, but to address the widening inequality that accompanied California’s long economic boom.”

On a side note, why would you want Gray Davis on any task force?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.blo...fornia-economy