Why so many covid 19 cases and deaths in LA County (Sacramento: Thai, system)

[goodheathen]

I suppose the sides should work something out, because those special outdoor dining areas (if not covered) are a reasonable compromise in commerce and public health, although I think in practice most are too loud, crowded, polluted, etc.

Meanwhile, it's long overdue for government to make indoor dining less dangerous. Lower occupancy limits, CO2 monitoring (with results visible to customers), employee mask requirements and/or testing, and so on. I'd love to again be able to eat inside a restaurant someday.

[1AngryTaxPayer]

Originally Posted by goodheathen

I suppose the sides should work something out, because those special outdoor dining areas (if not covered) are a reasonable compromise in commerce and public health, although I think in practice most are too loud, crowded, polluted, etc.

Meanwhile, it's long overdue for government to make indoor dining less dangerous. Lower occupancy limits, CO2 monitoring (with results visible to customers), employee mask requirements and/or testing, and so on. I'd love to again be able to eat inside a restaurant someday.

What's stopping you? We eat inside all the time at our local places. No masks and no fuss.

[blameyourself]

Originally Posted by 1AngryTaxPayer

What's stopping you? We eat inside all the time at our local places. No masks and no fuss.

My understanding is most will also allow hazmat suits.

[1200RT]

Originally Posted by goodheathen

Meanwhile, it's long overdue for government to make indoor dining less dangerous. Lower occupancy limits, CO2 monitoring (with results visible to customers), employee mask requirements and/or testing, and so on. I'd love to again be able to eat inside a restaurant someday.

Have you ever been in an average* commercial kitchen? These are you worries?

*Average as in your day to day restaurant.

[goodheathen]

A commercial kitchen probably is safer than mine.

I've never attributed an illness or bad stomach to food poisoning from a restaurant. If that has happened low-level, I don't care. It can be harsh and even that is okay in the long run, assuming I don't need emergency care. COVID-19 often causes weeks or months of problems. I don't want that. Although I suspect in this county the virus is easier to get from a restaurant than is clear-cut food poisoning, I don't know which plague is more likely - and the restaurant would like me to think both are very rare - but at least there's grading about restaurant cleanliness, along with reviews. I'd support stricter or more frequent inspections of restaurants for pre-pandemic issues. More than one improvement can be made at the same time. The virus should not be ignored.

[1200RT]

Originally Posted by goodheathen

A commercial kitchen probably is safer than mine.

I've never attributed an illness or bad stomach to food poisoning from a restaurant. If that has happened low-level, I don't care. It can be harsh and even that is okay in the long run, assuming I don't need emergency care. COVID-19 often causes weeks or months of problems. I don't want that. Although I suspect in this county the virus is easier to get from a restaurant than is clear-cut food poisoning, I don't know which plague is more likely - and the restaurant would like me to think both are very rare - but at least there's grading about restaurant cleanliness, along with reviews. I'd support stricter or more frequent inspections of restaurants for pre-pandemic issues. More than one improvement can be made at the same time. The virus should not be ignored.

You must not get out much. I don't mean that derogatorily.

I would much rather have covid (have had it twice now BTW) tham bad food poisoning - which I've had more often, and much more severe.

[1AngryTaxPayer]

Originally Posted by blameyourself

My understanding is most will also allow hazmat suits.

Do they recommend putting the helmet back on during sips and bites?

[goodheathen]

Bottom line: in the modern world, I should be able to go to a public-facing environment without reasonably having to worry about personal safety. That includes threats from viruses and for example crime. The government is supposed to oversee the safety of those places.

[blameyourself]

Originally Posted by 1AngryTaxPayer

Do they recommend putting the helmet back on during sips and bites?

Or better yet, make them like the beer hats so you can just keep sipping with the helmet on.

I'm still working on the mashed potatoes.

[1200RT]

Originally Posted by goodheathen

Bottom line: in the modern world, I should be able to go to a public-facing environment without reasonably having to worry about personal safety. That includes threats from viruses and for example crime. The government is supposed to oversee the safety of those places.

Governments uphold laws (regulations and codes, in this case). Not safety. Scotus has ruled that the gov has no overarching right to protect citizens. See: Castlerock v. gonzales; deshaney v. winnebago