Why so many covid 19 cases and deaths in LA County (Los Angeles: move to, finance)

[DabOnEm]

Originally Posted by Tulemutt

What source did I attack? You? Who are you?
What information did I attack? A specious snippet proffered without any context? Do you know the definition of *specious*? Did you read the rebuttal I quoted from known (not anonymous) sources? Have you read any historical record of Fauci’s AIDS research record? Apparently not.

I didnt say you attacked the info but you did attack the source instead because you couldnt attack the info.

You are spouting unproven conspiracy theories. Figures. And you clearly haven’t educated yourself to the history of the AIDS pandemic, nor about Fauci’s “actions” over the years in public service.

Maybe it is you that needs to be educated on it, and not me? Why are there letters like these then? https://aep.lib.rochester.edu/node/49111

Not sure why you want to defend him here.

It certainly does matter. And the notion that you, the anonymous social media protestor with clearly no background in the issues discussed, are qualified to demand a “house cleaning” … is hilarious.

The same Walensky that was on Rachel Maddow in March 2021 saying "vaccinated people cannot carry the virus based on their research"? Please....

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by goodheathen

The public is allowed to insist on better leaders. The pandemic hasn't been handled well, I think there's near-unanimous agreement on that. Much of this is self-inflicted. The public doesn't want to act thoughtfully about anything and elects leaders who clearly aren't good at leading in regular, not-so-challenging circumstances (especially the lame-duck mayor).

Heh. *The Public* is neither cohesive, nor very intelligent. Obviously. Observe humanity’s history to present.

So, insist away.

“The pandemic hasn’t been handled well?” Ever occur to you the reason for that might be due to how “unhandle-able” it is? Maybe all these erudite, highly experienced, very intelligent people are finding themselves stumped every time they think they’re on to something.

Meanwhile, an army of total know-nothings anonymously rant like rabid dogs on social media proclaiming they have broken through the bull-puckey and offer the straight skinny experts haven’t been able to figger out.

Hilarious narcissism.

[ThinkingOutsideTheBox]

The very same L.A. "leaders" that insisted that rioting and looting didn't spread Covid and were perfectly safe because they were from exempt groups while banning non-essential businesses and informal social gatherings for the majority of 2020 and right on this date (May 9, 2022) have "vaccine passports" in restaurants and treat people who aren't wearing masks on public buses worse than exempt groups who assault passengers. L.A. is a sunken ship not worth rescuing and Covid is the least of its problems.

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by DabOnEm

I didnt say you attacked the info but you did attack the source instead because you couldnt attack the info.



Maybe it is you that needs to be educated on it, and not me? Why are there letters like these then? https://aep.lib.rochester.edu/node/49111

Not sure why you want to defend him here.



The same Walensky that was on Rachel Maddow in March 2021 saying "vaccinated people cannot carry the virus based on their research"? Please....

What info? What source?

All you provide are a couple specious examples of angry unhappy people ranting. You just did it again with this “letter” on file at Rochester.

So?

The overwhelming avalanche of credible, historical documentation on AIDS research places Fauci as one of the top ten productive figures in the fight against the scourge.

Not sure why you want to side with the angry, inexpert protestors.

Sure, experts mandated to respond to crises in real time, including Walensky, get things wrong … then walk back the errors and adjust course best they can. The fact this has happened again and again in this pandemic isn’t evidence of conspiracy nor malfeasance. It’s evidence of the baffling complex reality of this virus.

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by ThinkingOutsideTheBox

The very same L.A. "leaders" that insisted that rioting and looting didn't spread Covid and were perfectly safe because they were from exempt groups while banning non-essential businesses and informal social gatherings for the majority of 2020 and right on this date (May 9, 2022) have "vaccine passports" in restaurants and treat people who aren't wearing masks on public buses worse than exempt groups who assault passengers. L.A. is a sunken ship not worth rescuing and Covid is the least of its problems.

[goodheathen]

Originally Posted by Tulemutt

Heh. *The Public* is neither cohesive, nor very intelligent. Obviously. Observe humanity’s history to present.

So, insist away.

“The pandemic hasn’t been handled well?” Ever occur to you the reason for that might be due to how “unhandle-able” it is? Maybe all these erudite, highly experienced, very intelligent people are finding themselves stumped every time they think they’re on to something.

Meanwhile, an army of total know-nothings anonymously rant like rabid dogs on social media proclaiming they have broken through the bull-puckey and offer the straight skinny experts haven’t been able to figger out.

Hilarious narcissism.

I have a high measured IQ and have relatives in all sorts of fields related to this. Plus, unlike most of the public-health officials, I am not trained in medicine and don't have the ego that insists the pandemic can be mostly fixed soon by modern medicine (with the foolish belief that most people can be convinced to embrace and correctly use modern medicine). Furthermore, I don't have to placate politician bosses with unrealistic optimism. Also, I'm a creative thinker, which doesn't seem to be a requirement or standard trait in leadership or modern medicine (except perhaps medical research), and am capable of thinking of rules and policies that thwart virus transmission.

Regardless and again, it takes no special intelligence or skills to know that isolation works best for control of contagious disease. Not lockdown-scale, but the most that can be enforced and not make the population miserable. The countries that have had many consecutive months of success against COVID-19 have done that. If we only had a few months per year of major virus spread and that declining per year, we'd be much better off than we are now.

At this point, the main role of public health officials should be to promote vaccines and treatments and especially make people aware of the non-fatal risks of unsafe behaviors (focus on myth-busting, for example the wrong idea that when boosted people have asymptomatic infections they aren't contagious, which bad CDC policy helped create). It's mostly up to high-ranking leaders (many of them politicians) to set up and enforce regulations (such as on travel) that make it hard for people to super-spread and to explain that that's the only way for now to consistently keep the virus under control.

[DabOnEm]

Originally Posted by Tulemutt

What info? What source?

All you provide are a couple specious examples of angry unhappy people ranting. You just did it again with this “letter” on file at Rochester.

So?

The overwhelming avalanche of credible, historical documentation on AIDS research places Fauci as one of the top ten productive figures in the fight against the scourge.

Not sure why you want to side with the angry, inexpert protestors.

Sure, experts mandated to respond to crises in real time, including Walensky, get things wrong … then walk back the errors and adjust course best they can. The fact this has happened again and again in this pandemic isn’t evidence of conspiracy nor malfeasance. It’s evidence of the baffling complex reality of this virus.

Wow the info saying the AIDS treatments Fauci promoted were harmful. Instead you say "oh just an angry social media person" even though there's many articles out there confirming the harmful treatments.

Then you disregard the letter from the rochester.edu site showing the sentiment in that community towards Fauci.

Then of course you have an excuse for Walensky even though the conspiracy theorists at that time were being censored for saying she is wrong and leading up to her being on that show were saying a vax wont stop a mutating coronavirus.

If the conspiracy theorists knew, how come she didnt?

[1AngryTaxPayer]

Originally Posted by goodheathen

I have a high measured IQ and have relatives in all sorts of fields related to this. Plus, unlike most of the public-health officials, I am not trained in medicine and don't have the ego that insists the pandemic can be mostly fixed soon by modern medicine (with the foolish belief that most people can be convinced to embrace and correctly use modern medicine). Furthermore, I don't have to placate politician bosses with unrealistic optimism. Also, I'm a creative thinker, which doesn't seem to be a requirement or standard trait in leadership or modern medicine (except perhaps medical research), and am capable of thinking of rules and policies that thwart virus transmission.

Regardless and again, it takes no special intelligence or skills to know that isolation works best for control of contagious disease. Not lockdown-scale, but the most that can be enforced and not make the population miserable. The countries that have had many consecutive months of success against COVID-19 have done that. If we only had a few months per year of major virus spread and that declining per year, we'd be much better off than we are now.

At this point, the main role of public health officials should be to promote vaccines and treatments and especially make people aware of the non-fatal risks of unsafe behaviors (focus on myth-busting, for example the wrong idea that when boosted people have asymptomatic infections they aren't contagious, which bad CDC policy helped create). It's mostly up to high-ranking leaders (many of them politicians) to set up and enforce regulations (such as on travel) that make it hard for people to super-spread and to explain that that's the only way for now to consistently keep the virus under control.

Ya, politicians will get us out of the next one. Ya know. Those with degrees in public speaking. Perfect formula for success.


Mask up in between bites and sips.

[CA4Now]

Originally Posted by ThinkingOutsideTheBox

L.A. is a sunken ship not worth rescuing and Covid is the least of its problems.

Speak for yourself. Although since you don't live in L.A., you most likely wouldn't know.

[goodheathen]

Over 4000 new cases in LA in a day. People are acting carefree, and the local government is only mumbling advice to be cautious.