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Old 10-03-2021, 11:51 AM
 
Location: Houston, TX
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I read the study that came from Israel directly. I don’t need links to tell me what the limitations are.

It had its limitations just as do the studies we do here. The point is that there is no authority on this virus and people pick and choose what they want to believe.
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Old 10-03-2021, 12:12 PM
 
Location: So Ca
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I read the study that came from Israel directly. I don’t need links to tell me what the limitations are.
Limitations? I'll say. The authors of the Israel study said that because they conducted an “observational real-world study,” where polymerase chain reaction, or PCR, screening for the coronavirus was not required, “we might be underestimating asymptomatic infections, as these individuals often do not get tested.”

“Lastly,” the authors of the Israeli study wrote, “although we controlled for age, sex, and region of residence, our results might be affected by differences between the groups in terms of health behaviors (such as social distancing and mask wearing), a possible confounder that was not assessed.”


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people pick and choose what they want to believe.
Sorry; I don't agree.
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Old 10-03-2021, 12:18 PM
 
Location: all over the place (figuratively)
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Most or all COVID-related policy decisions, such as the Los Angeles vaccine mandate for municipal employees, involve advice or feedback from medical experts. Count on it. Also count on the typical citizen to not be very smart and not consistently make good decisions in personal behavior without prodding. Many of us are intellectual elites compared to peers. However, nobody is really entitled to violate norms and move the topic away from what I specified. There's already a thread for most of the diversions.
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Old 10-03-2021, 01:39 PM
 
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Most or all COVID-related policy decisions, such as the Los Angeles vaccine mandate for municipal employees, involve advice or feedback from medical experts. Count on it. Also count on the typical citizen to not be very smart and not consistently make good decisions in personal behavior without prodding. Many of us are intellectual elites compared to peers. However, nobody is really entitled to violate norms and move the topic away from what I specified. There's already a thread for most of the diversions.
Who are these medical experts that these politicians are getting advise from? There are numerous medical experts who do not agree with covid shots to protect the vaccinated. Please explain how a covid shot for the unvaccinated protects the vaccinated? There is zero logic behind such a mandate. A fifth grader can see that.
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Old 10-03-2021, 03:51 PM
 
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I don't remember the name of the bald doctor with a big role in the decision-making process, but very likely he's not the only one. I addressed the other point days ago. If you refuse to read what I said and harass me in own thread....
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Old 10-03-2021, 04:47 PM
 
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I don't remember the name of the bald doctor with a big role in the decision-making process, but very likely he's not the only one. I addressed the other point days ago. If you refuse to read what I said and harass me in own thread....
Can you explain the science behind mandating a vaccine to protect the vaccinated? I’m all ears. This is not harassment. Maybe you cannot because you’re not a medical doctor or scientist, but can you please source a scientist who makes a logical claim that vaccinating the unvaccinated protects the vaccinated?

Tulemutte, our forum sage states we should not be engaging in this dialogue, but is there a medical doctor or scientist who makes an argument that an unvaccinated person poses a danger to the vaccinated? I get we are to shut up and obey our leaders, but I’m inquiring.
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Old 10-03-2021, 05:28 PM
 
Location: San Diego Native
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Most or all COVID-related policy decisions, such as the Los Angeles vaccine mandate for municipal employees, involve advice or feedback from medical experts. Count on it.

Not arguing this but in the LAPD complaint (page 6 - 30), the plaintiffs contend that the city has failed to produce evidence specific to the effectiveness of the vaccine vs. "natural immunity", going so far to claim that the latter is better than the former. edit: The next section (31) had a study attached but it doesn't seem to say what the plaintiffs claim it does.


It will be interesting to see the city's formal/legal response to the suit. I highly suspect it will include reams of information intended to debunk that part of it in particular.



That's not to say the lawsuit is entirely without merit. The city will only allow those with accepted religious/medical exemptions to opt-in to weekly testing. Also, the window in which they allowed those exemptions to be submitted was entirely too short. I wouldn't be surprised to see this resolved with the mandate remaining in place with a general testing option being the compromise. Although the complaint also goes to great lengths to call in question even just testing requirements, claiming they're a fourth amendment violation in and of themselves. That's where I think the lawsuit goes off the rails.
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Old 10-03-2021, 05:39 PM
 
Location: On the water.
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I just find it amusing that you believe none of us should be debating and challenging these issues. Yet, politicians who are not medical doctors or scientists draw policies to implement mandates that we are to follow. That’s the debate, yet it is of your opinion we shouldn’t be debating this topic because of our lack of a medical degree and should rather shut up. I do not think so. It doesn’t require a medical degree to engage in these matters just as it doesn’t require an engineering degree to debate what cell phone is better or an economic degree to debate what economic policies are more sustainable and productive. You certainly do not require a medical degree to debate covid shot mandates. If these back and forth gets under your skin, then move along.
Lol … first: I didn’t say you “shouldn’t be debating these issues” … I said it strikes me as amusing.

And you’re right: it doesn’t require engineering degrees or economics degrees to debate those things either … but without related education and expertise the debates are all mostly garbage shared.
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Old 10-03-2021, 05:49 PM
 
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Lol … first: I didn’t say you “shouldn’t be debating these issues” … I said it strikes me as amusing.

And you’re right: it doesn’t require engineering degrees or economics degrees to debate those things either … but without related education and expertise the debates are all mostly garbage shared.
Lmao, You are mocking those who are engaging in a debate or dialogue about covid mandates due to none of us possessing a science degree. Fine, none of us have a science degree. Does it require a science degree to formulate an opinion on mandates? Do all medical doctors and scientists agree that the unvaccinated should get vaccinated to protect the vaccinated? Is it not just to question that logic? Do you support people without a degree in education to sit on a school board?
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Old 10-03-2021, 05:50 PM
 
Location: On the water.
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According to Tulemutte, unless you have the medical knowledge we should not be having this discussion in regards to covid, but our nation’s politicians in their infinite wisdom do have the authority to make decisions and implement polices on this science without having any scientific and medical background. We are to shut up, they are smarter people who we should trust. You can’t make this up!
Never referred to “politicians’ infinite wisdom.” In fact I quite regularly lampoon the stupidity of most politicians.

You should “shut up?” … Hmmm. Never said that either. LOTS of information being shared here is perfectly interesting to follow. What I’ve said is: you drawing conclusions and proffering advice based on specious aggregation of bits and pieces of information that appeal to your ideological mindset contributes to the mindless chaos of social media. You, and certain others here, have polluted the thread with incompetent reasoning.
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