Mass shooting in Lewiston (Rome: engineering, kids, hospitals)

[massnative71]

Originally Posted by Hollytree

Roll your eyes at this then:

New Zealand has had one incident in 30 years since the ban.

More people have died of Mass shootings in New Zealand since the ban, than during any 30-year time frame prior to that.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...in_New_Zealand

Originally Posted by Hollytree

In Australia in 1996, a gunman went to a historical site at Port Arthur Tasmania & killed 35 people, with 23 injured.

Within weeks the govt had implemented stricter gun control laws & Australia has not had one mass shooting in the 26 years since.

Incorrect.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...s_in_Australia

Originally Posted by Hollytree

Who can think of ANY reason why private citizens need to be able to buy automatic weapons?

Defense against criminals who have the same.

Originally Posted by Hollytree

I doubt New Englanders go deer or duck hunting with such weapons.

Plenty of people hunt with the same type of firearm that this shooter used. Are you saying they should be banned in addition to the full automatic rifles?

Originally Posted by Hollytree

The Maine shooting was somewhat of an anomaly in that it was also a failure of our mental health system. So many red flags that were ignored- I feel very bad for the Mainers who are suffering because of Card. All of his weapons should have been surrendered and he should have had a lot of mental health follow ups.

Agree.

[roadrat]

Originally Posted by Hollytree

Roll your eyes at this then:

New Zealand has had one incident in 30 years since the ban.

In Australia in 1996, a gunman went to a historical site at Port Arthur Tasmania & killed 35 people, with 23 injured.

Within weeks the govt had implemented stricter gun control laws & Australia has not had one mass shooting in the 26 years since.

Who can think of ANY reason why private citizens need to be able to buy automatic weapons? I doubt New Englanders go deer or duck hunting with such weapons.

The Maine shooting was somewhat of an anomaly in that it was also a failure of our mental health system. So many red flags that were ignored- I feel very bad for the Mainers who are suffering because of Card. All of his weapons should have been surrendered and he should have had a lot of mental health follow ups.

You don't see any difference between a huge, multi-cultural, country like the The United States and a tiny island nation?

Australian is not much different, with a population not much greater that Florida spread out onto an entire continent.

[massnative71]

Originally Posted by roadrat

You don't see any difference between a huge, multi-cultural, country like the The United States and a tiny island nation?

Australian is not much different, with a population not much greater that Florida spread out onto an entire continent.

That's what I've been trying to communicate. Australia always had a much lower homicide rate than we did, before and after the ban. Sure their rate dropped after the ban in the 90s, but then again so did ours both due to other factors.

[AustinB]

Originally Posted by htfdcolt

We as a society need to ask ourselves, why is it that such men can so easily, and LEGALLY, pick up a gun and do a mass shooting. People forget--guns have a unique ability to kill dispassionately, from a distance, and in large numbers before emergency / LE can even respond. Can't be done with knives, swords, machetes.

It wasn't this way 30 years ago. What has changed?

[htfdcolt]

Originally Posted by massnative71

A little "current" lesson for you. More people are murdered in the United States in one day, than this single event that happened in Australia. Most are done by thugs with illegally owned/obtained firearms and not assault rifles. This recent tragedy in Lewiston was not even committed with an assault rifle. Are facts not important anymore?

Why is this an either/or? Gun control advocates do not discriminate between daily handgun shootings and assault rifle shootings, I certainly don't. But the common theme is--why do we accept 42,000+ deaths/yr?

And the point being made was--it took a single mass casualty incident (Australia, 1996; New Zealand, 2019) to enact strict bans on those sorts of weapons. Tells you how much we value life here in America.

[htfdcolt]

Originally Posted by AustinB

It wasn't this way 30 years ago. What has changed?

You must be young. Look up the dates of the mass shootings at University of Texas - Austin, and San Ysidro, California.

Rather than make those sorts of weapons almost impossible to obtain, we went the other way. Pretty easy answer. We don't have any greater mental illness incidence rate per capita than other Western countries. Gee, what's different?

[htfdcolt]

Originally Posted by Hollytree

Roll your eyes at this then:

New Zealand has had one incident in 30 years since the ban.

In Australia in 1996, a gunman went to a historical site at Port Arthur Tasmania & killed 35 people, with 23 injured.

Within weeks the govt had implemented stricter gun control laws & Australia has not had one mass shooting in the 26 years since.

Who can think of ANY reason why private citizens need to be able to buy automatic weapons? I doubt New Englanders go deer or duck hunting with such weapons.

^This. Have yet to hear a cogent argument for this, that doesn't involve delusional paranoia or feral hogs.

[massnative71]

Originally Posted by htfdcolt

Why is this an either/or? Gun control advocates do not discriminate between daily handgun shootings and assault rifle shootings, I certainly don't. But the common theme is--why do we accept 42,000+ deaths/yr?

And the point being made was--it took a single mass casualty incident (Australia, 1996; New Zealand, 2019) to enact strict bans on those sorts of weapons. Tells you how much we value life here in America.

So you agree that:


1. All fatal homicides are created equal.


2. The #1 problem is illegally owned/obtained firearms used by thugs who already should have been locked up in the first place.


Are we in unison now?

[TamaraSavannah]

Just to note, we are in the Maine forum and not in the P&OC one. So for those who think they are winning a gun control argument because the retorts are low, just keep in mind that some may not be speaking because this is not the forum to do it in.

[arctichomesteader]

Originally Posted by htfdcolt

We as a society need to ask ourselves, why is it that such men can so easily, and LEGALLY, pick up a gun and do a mass shooting. People forget--guns have a unique ability to kill dispassionately, from a distance, and in large numbers before emergency / LE can even respond. Can't be done with knives, swords, machetes.

Guns were more readily available when I was younger and we did not have this problem. That means something else changed to cause this. The same people pushing this as a gun problem killed off the big state hospitals that used to keep these types safely locked away. Doing away with discipline in schools also came from this same group. We're raising kids as a society to be amoral aggressive bullies. Traditional values worked at keeping society somewhat peaceful. We're seeing the end result of decades of social engineering tearing apart our civilization.