Talbot County council votes to keep Confederate statue (Baltimore: transplants, apartment complexes)

[MrRational]

Originally Posted by North Beach Person

...just that you're naive about local politics in a small rural County.

And you're being naive to think that the small county politics (aside from the gutless leadership)
has anything to do with the issue of these statues being installed ANYWHERE.

[westsideboy]

Originally Posted by MrRational

And you're being naive to think that the small county politics (aside from the gutless leadership)
has anything to do with the issue of these statues being installed ANYWHERE.

It was installed over 100 years ago. That isn't the issue now, it's a sunk cost. The issue now is whether to take it down.

We are breaking down on pretty simple lines here:

1. Those that demand some other community do what they think is right.
2. Those who want to let the community where the monument is located make the choice for themselves.

[The Very Man Himself]

Originally Posted by westsideboy

It was installed over 100 years ago. That isn't the issue now, it's a sunk cost. The issue now is whether to take it down.

We are breaking down on pretty simple lines here:

1. Those that demand some other community do what they think is right.
2. Those who want to let the community where the monument is located make the choice for themselves.

No, that's not correct. That's an oversimplification that maybe suits your purposes. It's a lot more nuanced than that.*There are plenty of people in Talbot, (including 40% of the Council) opposed to retaining the statue. They've been out protesting,*and contacting the council, as evidenced by the June council*meeting minutes.

What has annoyed both insiders and "outsiders" is the manner in which the council avoided its responsibility, to the benefit of people who might be described as confederate supporting white supremacists, when all evidence points to this being an appropriate matter for the council to decide.

If the location of the statue is a matter for the ballot, what about the location of public restrooms, bus stops, utility poles, traffic lights, park benches etc. Should they be on the ballot too?
The outsiders who object, are simply supporting the insiders who object.

[westsideboy]

Originally Posted by The Very Man Himself

No, that's not correct. That's an oversimplification that maybe suits your purposes. It's a lot more nuanced than that.*There are plenty of people in Talbot, (including 40% of the Council) opposed to retaining the statue. They've been out protesting,*and contacting the council, as evidenced by the June council*meeting minutes.

What has annoyed both insiders and "outsiders" is the manner in which the council avoided its responsibility, to the benefit of people who might be described as confederate supporting white supremacists, when all evidence points to this being an appropriate matter for the council to decide.

If the location of the statue is a matter for the ballot, what about the location of public restrooms, bus stops, utility poles, traffic lights, park benches etc. Should they be on the ballot too?
The outsiders who object, are simply supporting the insiders who object.

You still fall into Category #1, trying to demand that an elected council in a place you don't live follow what you think is the correct procedural way to address statuary concerns.

Your support for those who wish to have the statue removed is noted for the record. Past that, what else do you have to add? The majority of the council obviously disagrees with you that it was their job to make this decision, and the "insiders" as you call them, will have a chance to decide in 2022 whether they wish to keep these people in office, or remove them. Again, a local decision as it should be.

[North Beach Person]

Originally Posted by westsideboy

You still fall into Category #1, trying to demand that an elected council in a place you don't live follow what you think is the correct procedural way to address statuary concerns.

Your support for those who wish to have the statue removed is noted for the record. Past that, what else do you have to add? The majority of the council obviously disagrees with you that it was their job to make this decision, and the "insiders" as you call them, will have a chance to decide in 2022 whether they wish to keep these people in office, or remove them. Again, a local decision as it should be.

Piling on here, none of us here have any skin in the game. And speaking as a now former "local elected official" for local officials, nothing pisses them off more than having someone from outside, again with no skin in the game, come in and demand they do something. It doesn't matter what it is.

As far as "40% of the Commissioners agree the statue should be removed", unless the way we count has changed 40% isn't a majority.

There are 32,000+/- residents in Talbot County (that doesn't count the weekenders like VP Cheney) and I can damn near guarantee that between the five County Commissioners they know every adult resident (and many of the kids) in that County and at least a large plurality of the weekenders. So I'm guessing (and it's really not a guess) that they have a pretty good sense of the community opinion.

I already said that I really don't like legislating by referendum but that's the route they've chosen.

[MrRational]

Originally Posted by North Beach Person

Piling on here, none of us here have any skin in the game.

Wrong. Again. We ALL have skin in the game.

[North Beach Person]

Originally Posted by MrRational

Wrong. Again. We ALL have skin in the game.

Do we? How does a statue in one of the smallest Counties in Maryland impact you in The Triad? You fled Maryland.

Have you even spent time in Talbot other than to drive through on the way down the ocean?

[The Very Man Himself]

Originally Posted by westsideboy

You still fall into Category #1, trying to demand that an elected council in a place you don't live follow what you think is the correct procedural way to address statuary concerns.

Your support for those who wish to have the statue removed is noted for the record. Past that, what else do you have to add? The majority of the council obviously disagrees with you that it was their job to make this decision, and the "insiders" as you call them, will have a chance to decide in 2022 whether they wish to keep these people in office, or remove them. Again, a local decision as it should be.

I never claimed or implied I was not part of category#1, just that your analysis was overly simplistic. I can add an alternative perspective to some other posters. A council decision also qualifies as a local decision.

[The Very Man Himself]

Originally Posted by North Beach Person

Piling on here, none of us here have any skin in the game. And speaking as a now former "local elected official" for local officials, nothing pisses them off more than having someone from outside, again with no skin in the game, come in and demand they do something. It doesn't matter what it is.

As far as "40% of the Commissioners agree the statue should be removed", unless the way we count has changed 40% isn't a majority.

There are 32,000+/- residents in Talbot County (that doesn't count the weekenders like VP Cheney) and I can damn near guarantee that between the five County Commissioners they know every adult resident (and many of the kids) in that County and at least a large plurality of the weekenders. So I'm guessing (and it's really not a guess) that they have a pretty good sense of the community opinion.

I already said that I really don't like legislating by referendum but that's the route they've chosen.

Outsiders trying to influence is little different than a politician raising money from outside their district.

[MrRational]

Originally Posted by North Beach Person

Do we?

Yes We The People do.
So... do you truly not understand the points or are you just being deliberately obtuse?