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Yea thats right ! nail him to the wall! fine him big time , that will make him a better driver? also forget about the rights he has ( Innocent untill PROVEN GUILTY).
Now for the answer to his question . At your first hearing you simply demand that a verified complaint be filed on the complaint . Another poster stated in Masss. the cops never appear , some one else reads from a card?
In demanding the verified complaint , you are excersizing your constitutional rights to due process, now constitutionally you have a right to question your accuser ( The Cop ) and ask questions like ,
how he determined you were violating any law,
what eqiuipoment was used?, when was it last certified,
you ask him how was he injured ? ,
what treatment is he recieving for that ? injury.
If you are not given this constitutional right the Court doesn't have the proper documents to properly prosecute you, and in doing that have violated your rights to due process, a lot more serious crime than whay you have been accused of doing
he MAY learn his lesson if he is nailed to the wall and think before he puts the peddle to the metal. I know people who learnt there lesson about speeding when they saw their insurance go up and became better responsible dirvers. If he gets away with it he will more likely continue to speed. But if he does get into a accident I hope he gets hurt and not a inocent person who was obeying the laws . I read to many stories where the speeder walks away and a innocent person or family are killed do to a reckless driver. Maybe that will TEACH HIM DONT SPEED
oh and he already told us he is guilty and all he cares about is his DMV record and his parents insurance and his parents not letting him drive till he gets his own.
maybe if a speeder hits your car and kills your family maybe you will think different.
OK !!! he is guilty ( the cop wrote him a ticket ! RIGHT !) make him pay a huge fine , ya really think that will make him a better driver ?
NOW for someone really trying to beat the ticket, another poster stated that in Mass. the cops never go to court someone else is there and reads from a card?
Then there is only one thing to do and that is to "DEMAND that a Verified complaint be filed on the complaint" , by the injured party. thats your constitutional right. Then if the cop is there , you ask him how he determined you were violating the law. Then you ask what his injury is ?, and what treatment he is receiving for that so called injury ? ( this is your right to face your accuser and question him/her)
If the cop that wrote the ticket is not there , and they don't have a verified complaint filed then you request the case be dismissed for lack of proper prosecution. Also never plead guilty make them show to proof that you are.
Me thinks you haven't lived in MA.... correct me if I am wrong
Been a long time ago for me, but law stated that the cop that wrote the ticket didn't have to be there at the hearing, just some cop, that read the complaint. Been there, done that, and won every time. Just got an email from my friend, who is a PO in MA, and he said that is still true. Another example of C-D (Chronic Dis-information).
If they produce Radar/Video info, or even just visual estimation, you lose. But, it's not what you know, it's who you know. But I disclaim everything.
Quote:"ya really think that will make him a better driver ?"
If I recall correctly, MA had the 'three strikes and your out'.... three moving violations (speeding) in a year meant loss of license for (I think) 90 days. Umm, I think that would make a person slow down. If I had two already, for the next 12 months I would drive like a little old lady.
I got my first speeding ticket going 93 in a 65 zone (not construction zone or anything). Offense was speeding chapter 90 section 17. The officer checked off the 'lidar" and "estimated" boxes. The date on the ticket is not very readable. I am 18, have been driving for 2 years with clean record. I am on my parents insurance. Is it worth fighting this ticket? Will I get any demerit points for this offense? Will it increase my/or my parents insurance costs? The fine does not worry me. What worries me is the rise in insurance prices, and the fact that this will stay on my record. I guess I should have thought of that before speeding. How many years will this ticket stay on my record? Please help as I am new to this state and country.
If this ticket is worth fighting, does anyone have any good lawyers they can recommend?
Thanks in advance...
I'm sorry to say wk786, my father owned and worked his own Insurance Agency here in MA and if you don't at least try to fight this ticket and win, regardless if you have it reduced you parents premiums are going to go up & when you get your own car and your own insurance your premium is going to be at a higher step.
If I were you I would pray the magistrate thinks your cute or something like that and you win which I hardly doubt and if it goes to court the only way you will win is if the police officer doesn't show up. I don't think it won't make it past the magistrate, it usually never does. I got my first speeding ticket after driving for 30 years going 20 over the speeding limit and I beat it because the posted speed limit was what I was driving at the time and the officer pulled me over before the limit was reduced. The magistrate knew exactly whereI was talking about and knew where the cops parked there cruisers to catch speeders. I lucked out, and I say lucked out.
I agree with your parents punishment but I would also add on you getting a job and start paying the extra addition on there insurance bill.
When my son reaches the age to drive I will never put him on my insurance. Youthful male drivers pay the highest premiums and if he wants to drive he better have a job & his own car even if he's in college!!!! I'm not saying I won't help him out financially when and only if he's in college otherwise while in highschool he'll get a part-time job to save money to buy his first car like I did and when he graduates he'll get a full time job if he's not in college like I did all I'm saying is he'll never be on my insurance.
he MAY learn his lesson if he is nailed to the wall and think before he puts the peddle to the metal. I know people who learnt there lesson about speeding when they saw their insurance go up and became better responsible dirvers. If he gets away with it he will more likely continue to speed. But if he does get into a accident I hope he gets hurt and not a inocent person who was obeying the laws . I read to many stories where the speeder walks away and a innocent person or family are killed do to a reckless driver. Maybe that will TEACH HIM DONT SPEED
oh and he already told us he is guilty and all he cares about is his DMV record and his parents insurance and his parents not letting him drive till he gets his own.
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Oh geez.... roll yourself in bubble wrap, surrounded by kevlar...
You and your family can get just as killed at 65 as at any other speed (though the odds gets worse as speed goes up).
Quote:"But if he does get into a accident I hope he gets hurt and not a inocent person who was obeying the laws .:
Hope you are not a Christian when you say "I hope he gets hurt". (And please learn how to spell)
Quote:"maybe if a speeder hits your car and kills your family maybe you will think different"
Just my personal opinion, and I don't speed anymore, but I honestly don't give a cr*p about you and your family. And I have no family, as I am not a breeder. Just my opinion, so no flames please.
Oh geez.... roll yourself in bubble wrap, surrounded by kevlar...
You and your family can get just as killed at 65 as at any other speed (though the odds gets worse as speed goes up).
Quote:"But if he does get into a accident I hope he gets hurt and not a inocent person who was obeying the laws .:
Hope you are not a Christian when you say "I hope he gets hurt". (And please learn how to spell)
Quote:"maybe if a speeder hits your car and kills your family maybe you will think different"
Just my personal opinion, and I don't speed anymore, but I honestly don't give a cr*p about you and your family. And I have no family, as I am not a breeder. Just my opinion, so no flames please.
if he was driving say 10 miles over okay i give him a chance but he was reckless driving. No i am not a christian and not everyone who drives is and what does religion have to do with drivng? and btw your writing style has some blemishes too so practice what your preach Church lady. IF your post is what a Christian sounds and acts like THANK GOD I AM NOT ONE
what i meant was that If there is a accident hope he gets hurt not the innocent people no i dont want to see him hurt but I hate when I read that a reckless dirver walks away and a person or persons lost their life and were not breaking the law driving.
I'm sorry to say wk786, my father owned and worked his own Insurance Agency here in MA and if you don't at least try to fight this ticket and win, regardless if you have it reduced you parents premiums are going to go up & when you get your own car and your own insurance your premium is going to be at a higher step.
Again, more C-D (Chronic Dis-information). Been in front of the magistrate more than once, in MA.... it's not what you know, it's who you know. Rates never went up, (lived there from when I was 6 to well into my 30's. Remember, work smarter rather than harder. Tickets can be 'lost'.
I deny anything I say, for legal purposes.
If I were you I would pray the magistrate thinks your cute or something like that and you win which I hardly doubt and if it goes to court the only way you will win is if the police officer doesn't show up. I don't think it won't make it past the magistrate, it usually never does. I got my first speeding ticket after driving for 30 years going 20 over the speeding limit and I beat it because the posted speed limit was what I was driving at the time and the officer pulled me over before the limit was reduced. The magistrate knew exactly whereI was talking about and knew where the cops parked there cruisers to catch speeders. I lucked out, and I say lucked out.
Get to know a police officer in the state well, as a good friend, and you can do about whatever you want.
I deny anything I say, for legal purposes.
I agree with your parents punishment but I would also add on you getting a job and start paying the extra addition on there insurance bill.
When my son reaches the age to drive I will never put him on my insurance. Youthful male drivers pay the highest premiums and if he wants to drive he better have a job & his own car even if he's in college!!!! I'm not saying I won't help him out financially when and only if he's in college otherwise while in highschool he'll get a part-time job to save money to buy his first car like I did and when he graduates he'll get a full time job if he's not in college like I did all I'm saying is he'll never be on my insurance.
In '94 I had a ticket for doing 73 in a 45 construction zone. I went to court, admitted it was foolish, apologized and said I will take a huge lesson from my mistake. I then asked the judge to reduce the amount over to less than 20 otherwise it would be treated almost like a DUI by my insurance company and I thought that would put it into the cruel & unusual category of judicial punishment. He ordered I pay full fine and court fees but he lowered the amount over the speed limit on the ticket to 14 over. Yes the insurance increased, but not as much as if the original speed had been put on my record. From that day forward, I really watch my speed, especially in construction zones.
In '94 I had a ticket for doing 73 in a 45 construction zone. I went to court, admitted it was foolish, apologized and said I will take a huge lesson from my mistake. I then asked the judge to reduce the amount over to less than 20 otherwise it would be treated almost like a DUI by my insurance company and I thought that would put it into the cruel & unusual category of judicial punishment. He ordered I pay full fine and court fees but he lowered the amount over the speed limit on the ticket to 14 over. Yes the insurance increased, but not as much as if the original speed had been put on my record. From that day forward, I really watch my speed, especially in construction zones.
this has to do with a reckless 18 yr old speeding cops have nothing to do with what he did. thats another thread. I agree its not safe but does not give 18 yr old the right to speed and possibly kill others
Why is it not safe? You can legally and safely drive 85mph in Texas.
Why is it not safe? You can legally and safely drive 85mph in Texas.
where you can LEGALLY and safely drive 85 in texas is not the same road in MAss.
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