Like he** I'm going to pay these prices! (Boston: apartment complexes, camps)

[mdovell]

I think it depends on the size of the family. health code can override leases

Can Landlords Limit the Number of Tenants Residing in a Single Unit?

Long ago my parents had to deal with a neighbor that was a bit odd. Long story short the guy went to prison, his wife owned the house but had few job skills. So she rented out the house to almost anyone. That would be fine if it was just one family. Nope..1st, second, third and basement. Four families in their. Then the fire happened. One of them was doing some car work and it backed up lighting the garage on fire (minor but still). Mass sanitation code limits the number for a septic tank. Can't have 15+ people using a septic tank that at most might be designed for half of that at most. Three of the four had to move out and then she had to sell the place. It took months onto months for contractors to clean the place up.

[GeoffD]

Originally Posted by Shrewsburried

It is, largely because modern high income/education households are averaging ~1.6 births. Aside of studio apartments, almost any housing stock satisfies one bed per room with those birth rates.

This was certainly not the case when birth rates were higher. It's also not the case in modern day Utah.

Totally off-topic but my mom used to winter in the residential part of Park City an exit closer to Salt Lake City than the ski resort exit. The houses in her neighborhood were enormous. 6 to 8 bedrooms was normal. The school bus stops had 20 children at them. That kind of thing vanished from New England in the 1960s.

[msRB311]

Originally Posted by GeoffD

Totally off-topic but my mom used to winter in the residential part of Park City an exit closer to Salt Lake City than the ski resort exit. The houses in her neighborhood were enormous. 6 to 8 bedrooms was normal. The school bus stops had 20 children at them. That kind of thing vanished from New England in the 1960s.

and planet earth thanks people for it.

[Boston Shudra]

Originally Posted by GeoffD

The houses in her neighborhood were enormous. 6 to 8 bedrooms was normal. That kind of thing vanished from New England in the 1960s.

Those same houses in New England got converted into 3 or 4 apartments or condos each.

[brightdoglover]

A former coworker of mine in her 70s was an only child on a heavily family street in Dorchester, growing up. She said most households had at least six kids. Same street now, condos and very few kids, if any. Oh, yes, Catholic Church, too.

[BostonBornMassMade]

Side note-

It's very very scary to me to think about how much more we as kids were outside even in the late 90s-early 2000s than kids today. Because even back then we were told we weren't outside enough.

But jacks, marbles, 'kill the man', bike rides, kickball, street football, foot races, catsh/informal baseball were all things I actively was engaged in. It was me, my 2 brothers, David, Demetrius, Deedra, Aaron, Raymond, Vanessa, James, Junior, Jalen, Marie, Stuart and more. We were outside. We did play video games but they weren't as engaging and they weren't online. We're talking like 15 kids who might just get together unsupervised in the neighborhood.

I haven't seen ANY kids in my old neighborhood outside in that way since then. Not even when I moved back in 2009.

[mdovell]

Originally Posted by BostonBornMassMade

Side note-

It's very very scary to me to think about how much more we as kids were outside even in the late 90s-early 2000s than kids today. Because even back then we were told we weren't outside enough.

But jacks, marbles, 'kill the man', bike rides, kickball, street football, foot races, catsh/informal baseball were all things I actively was engaged in. It was me, my 2 brothers, David, Demetrius, Deedra, Aaron, Raymond, Vanessa, James, Junior, Jalen, Marie, Stuart and more. We were outside. We did play video games but they weren't as engaging and they weren't online. We're talking like 15 kids who might just get together unsupervised in the neighborhood.

I haven't seen ANY kids in my old neighborhood outside in that way since then. Not even when I moved back in 2009.

what no Relievio? The funny thing about jacks and marbles is today we'd say it is a choking hazard. Didn't kids used to play with marbles for hundreds of years? Small brightly colored balls..yet no recalls

I remember where I grew up and there was a fair amount of kids. When I moved some had kids but not the same amount. I moved and the area still has some kids but fewer and fewer. I remember jumping in mounds of leaves as a kid. Lyme disease concerns killed off that fall activity. Maybe it was a suburban thing but I remember climbing trees a bit. I don't think I've seen a kid climb a tree in at least 30 years.

[BOS2IAD]

Originally Posted by redplum33

In Central Falls, RI, it's not uncommon for 3 families to be living in a 3 bedroom apartment. An entire family per bedroom. Poor people don't have a choice.

Originally Posted by massnative71

Chelsea too.

That happens everywhere. Not just in MA. Where I now live, many blue collar towns have ended up with lots of overcrowded flophouses. Poor people have a choice if they are here legally. However, it would mean that they won't be able to live close to their jobs. Overcrowded housing should never be tolerated. They are vectors for disease spread (think COVID) plus the plumbing and electrical systems end up being overtaxed meaning that electrical fires happen and plumbing systems fail.

Last time we visited Boston, back in late 2019, a repairman had to come to our hotel room to fix something. My husband was there and he and the repairman got to talking. The repairman said he grew up in Boston but could never afford to live there now. He ended up moving to Worcester because that was the closest place to Boston where he could afford to buy a house.

[msRB311]

Originally Posted by BostonBornMassMade

Side note-

It's very very scary to me to think about how much more we as kids were outside even in the late 90s-early 2000s than kids today. Because even back then we were told we weren't outside enough.

But jacks, marbles, 'kill the man', bike rides, kickball, street football, foot races, catsh/informal baseball were all things I actively was engaged in. It was me, my 2 brothers, David, Demetrius, Deedra, Aaron, Raymond, Vanessa, James, Junior, Jalen, Marie, Stuart and more. We were outside. We did play video games but they weren't as engaging and they weren't online. We're talking like 15 kids who might just get together unsupervised in the neighborhood.

I haven't seen ANY kids in my old neighborhood outside in that way since then. Not even when I moved back in 2009.

Did our generation and older turn out better for being outside? I guess we'll see. I have to say my kids get outside a good amount. Every day as long as it's not pouring rain. They're still young (5 and 7) and it seems like maybe the wanting to go outside starts around 9 or 10? They just want to stay in and watch tv?

[BostonBornMassMade]

Originally Posted by msRB311

Did our generation and older turn out better for being outside? I guess we'll see. I have to say my kids get outside a good amount. Every day as long as it's not pouring rain. They're still young (5 and 7) and it seems like maybe the wanting to go outside starts around 9 or 10? They just want to stay in and watch tv?

I have no idea. I only see kids in poor neighborhoods outside and it's not nearly as many as there were when I was a kid 20 years ago. At the time I had never used the internet nor did I have any electronics let alone digital devices. There was outdoors or wrestling/race cars/books. If I had the media and options my son has and will have....it would have been very different for me.

I recall my dad telling tales of fishing in the Delaware River and building structures and forts as a kid and I thought he was a wild man, I expect my son will think something the same about my childhood