How are things going with defunding the police? (Florida: professionals, office)

[BostonBornMassMade]

Originally Posted by WestieWhitie

What’s even funnier unlike the $500/hour centered green new thermal racial equity justice “consultants” and “facilitators” all those scary tanks cost the taxpayers absolutely nothing - surplus military equipment is given to police departments free of charge. Needless to say homie and his grifter buddies know it but they sure as hell won’t be telling their useful idi*ts.

Exactly- *demilitarize* the police.

And of course it’s costs money to maintain, insure, and fuel one of those vehicles.

[WestieWhitie]

Originally Posted by BostonBornMassMade

Exactly- *demilitarize* the police.

And of course it’s costs money to maintain, insure, and fuel one of those vehicles.

Way to move the goalposts homie - godzillion of dollars spent on space battlecruisers as alleged by BLMillionaires suddenly turned into a few hundred spent to fuel that rusty old humvee that cost the PD exactly zero dollars and zero cents.

[msRB311]

Originally Posted by BostonBornMassMade

Exactly- *demilitarize* the police.

And of course it’s costs money to maintain, insure, and fuel one of those vehicles.

But that's a bigger deal to you than letting hundreds of thousands of migrants across the border each year to take overcrowd our country that tax payers then pay for. Too funnny.

[WestieWhitie]

Originally Posted by msRB311

But that's a bigger deal to you than letting hundreds of thousands of migrants across the border each year to take overcrowd our country that tax payers then pay for. Too funnny.

That's the funny thing - all that ex-mulitary junk costs next to nothing because it just sits there and rolls out maybe once every other year when there's a widespread smash, loot and burn party. Illegals that keep on waltzing in because they want asylum jefe, asylum! are costing the taxpayers close to $100K each per year - those do quite literally cost us trillions of dollars.

[msRB311]

Sickening. Someone on another forum was saying pockets of LA have become so central Americanized with hospitals shutting down left and right due to no one paying their bills. More of that sounds great. But I know people here think tax payers should also pay the medical bills of these losers.

[FCMA]

Lefties were misguided to rave about abolishing the police. Talk about having their hearts in the right place yet an entirely losing message! The police are mostly just overpaid aggro slobs with guns making $200/hr OT for no reason at construction sites when a teenager in an orange vest would do just fine, but a social worker is not going to cut it when someone needs to call 911 during a home invasion or mugging. That’s why we’re a nation founded on guns - if you’re prosperous then somebody might want to steal your tacky, meaningless material possessions and it’s our patriotic right to possess projectiles that can spray their brain across the wall. An objectively healthy society! But one that probably still needs police and unmitigated firearms.

[timberline742]

Originally Posted by FCMA

Lefties were misguided to rave about abolishing the police. Talk about having their hearts in the right place yet an entirely losing message! The police are mostly just overpaid aggro slobs with guns making $200/hr OT for no reason at construction sites when a teenager in an orange vest would do just fine, but a social worker is not going to cut it when someone needs to call 911 during a home invasion or mugging. That’s why we’re a nation founded on guns - if you’re prosperous then somebody might want to steal your tacky, meaningless material possessions and it’s our patriotic right to possess projectiles that can spray their brain across the wall. An objectively healthy society! But one that probably still needs police and unmitigated firearms.

And police aren't going to cut it responding to a mental health crisis. Which is entirely about what the movement was/is about. Have police do law enforcement, not social work. Have social workers and mental health providers do what they're trained for.


Not different from our military. Our military is great at war. When we make them do things they're not equipped to do, such as nation building or converting a theocracy to a democracy, it fails.

[bostongymjunkie]

Originally Posted by timberline742

And police aren't going to cut it responding to a mental health crisis. Which is entirely about what the movement was/is about. Have police do law enforcement, not social work. Have social workers and mental health providers do what they're trained for.


Not different from our military. Our military is great at war. When we make them do things they're not equipped to do, such as nation building or converting a theocracy to a democracy, it fails.

Police don't respond to mental health crises, they respond to criminal incidents which sometimes involve people with mental health problems. They are called to those incidents, they don't go looking for them. They are called to all incidents that other people can't or won't handle. Policing is very much a position that involves social work, and they do it everyday of the week under all circumstances and conditions not in an office on Beacon Street. And yes, many of them have training in mental health. This isn't a black and white, "either or" deal. Police officers are required to wear a number of hats in the normal course of their daily duties. When the social worker fails at their job, a cop will be called to deal with the fallout.

[msRB311]

If it were that easy to be solved it would have been. If the cops get a call for a knife wielding suspect who's stabbing someone or someone has a gun what is the answer ? What social worker would even want to show up to that scene ? There's no talking to people when they're at that point.

You liberals think you have all the answers. Ohh send a social worker to handle the 250lb dude who's barricaded himself and his kids in a room with a gun.

[timberline742]

Originally Posted by bostongymjunkie

Police don't respond to mental health crises, they respond to criminal incidents which sometimes involve people with mental health problems. They are called to those incidents, they don't go looking for them. They are called to all incidents that other people can't or won't handle. Policing is very much a position that involves social work, and they do it everyday of the week under all circumstances and conditions not in an office on Beacon Street. And yes, many of them have training in mental health. This isn't a black and white, "either or" deal. Police officers are required to wear a number of hats in the normal course of their daily duties. When the social worker fails at their job, a cop will be called to deal with the fallout.

Factually incorrect. Police respond to 911 calls, which often involve mental health crises that have no determination of anything criminal happening at all. People get scared, or nervous, and they call 911.

They have ****ty training. They're barely trained at all. They can barely wear one hat well, never mind multiple hats. If our police had literal years of training before going into the job, then maybe that would work.

The entire point of defund the police was to reduce the number of hats they have to wear, and have well trained professionals that require extensive education and training wear the hat they are trained to wear. If in, the end, the mental health professional fails, the police can back up and come in. But to start with egregiously trained cops trying to wear hat number 5 to begin with gets people killed. It's also not fair to undertrained police.

It's not that they respond to calls that no one else can or will handle, wrong. They respond to what they're told to respond to and as a society we make police the go to and have not alternatives. We get it wrong. We structure it wrong. Defund the police is ALL ABOUT having police do what they do well, and then shifting some of that other funding toward other professionals to do what they do well.

It's common sense. It's practical. It's fiscally conservative.

But of course we like to spend way more for worse results as a society.