Police state wins again: City, court force Miami Shores residents to remove vegetable garden from front yard (2013, city hall)

[Jen1981]

Tom Carroll and Heroine Ricketts in their front yard in Miami Shores on Wednesday, December 13, 2017. The couple had to dig up their large vegetable garden in their front lawn after the Village of Miami Shores said their edible plants were not allowed in the front lawn.


Miami Shores residents cited for front yard vegetable garden | Miami Herald


“There's no way to rule innocent men.

The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws.” -Ayn Rand

[boxus]

This issue lays on the citizens of the community, not the gov. If the people of the community want it, it will be allowed, until then, you are asking the gov to be selective in what rules they enforce.

When it comes to issues like this (as in yards, house paint, etc), I find many members of the community to be rather "anal" about it, and want everything to be a boring bland of similar house colors, boring non-used yards, etc.

[in_newengland]

This has nothing to do with a "police state" and much to do with a general attitude of people who want a boring green lawn. So calm down, lol.

In Massachusetts I saw a great front yard garden--the owners were hippie types and the town was rural. But if anyone tried to do that in a suburban neighborhood with the boring green lawns, the neighbors would have been in an uproar.

It's about the neighborhood, not a government.

[Jen1981]

Originally Posted by boxus

This issue lays on the citizens of the community, not the gov. If the people of the community want it, it will be allowed, until then, you are asking the gov to be selective in what rules they enforce.

When it comes to issues like this (as in yards, house paint, etc), I find many members of the community to be rather "anal" about it, and want everything to be a boring bland of similar house colors, boring non-used yards, etc.

I love posting long rants but in this case I am just sad that America has turned into this. What the hell is wrong with people, what part of "live and let live" can't they understand ?

How can making a stink about what a person grows in their front yard be seen as anything but a symptom of a mental disorder ? I can't see it as anything else.

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[Jen1981]

Originally Posted by in_newengland

This has nothing to do with a "police state" and much to do with a general attitude of people who want a boring green lawn. So calm down, lol.

In Massachusetts I saw a great front yard garden--the owners were hippie types and the town was rural. But if anyone tried to do that in a suburban neighborhood with the boring green lawns, the neighbors would have been in an uproar.

It's about the neighborhood, not a government.

It has everything to do with a police state, only a police state would step in and enforce a thing like this. What happens if these people don't remove the garden and are defiant, how long before armed men show up and they end up looking into the end of a gun barrel ? And then are kidnapped and put in a cage.

[in_newengland]

This probably isn't even worth responding to but there are also plenty of places that won't allow people to hang their clothes on the clothesline anymore. It's nothing to do with the government. It's the neighbors.

[MadManofBethesda]

Originally Posted by Jen1981

It has everything to do with a police state, only a police state would step in and enforce a thing like this. What happens if these people don't remove the garden and are defiant, how long before armed men show up and they end up looking into the end of a gun barrel ? And then are kidnapped and put in a cage.

Oh, quit with all the melodrama. You ask how long before armed men show up? Well, this crazy couple has been violating the law for 4 years now and they are still not looking down the barrel of a gun. That's right, this case is not new; these people have been fighting this ordinance for 4 years now, ever since it was passed in 2013. They keep losing in court, but they won't admit that their neighbors, through their elected representatives, have the right to determine community standards. Here's an article from last year when they lost a previous court case:

Judge upholds Miami Shore veggie garden ban | Miami Herald

The bottom line is if they want to farm the land, let them move to a rural area where they can grow all the crops they want to their heart's content. If they want to live in an urban neighborhood, they will have to adhere to community standards.

[Jen1981]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHp6Y1o2z5Y

Keeping a home garden is one of the best ways to bolster your independence — no wonder the government is so against it.

Anyone remember when people used to say "its a free country" in response to things ? If you keep poking at that bees nest one of them is going to sting you but it's a free country. That looks like a piece of poo floating in the pool but if you really want to jump in its a free country.

No one ever says "its a free country" anymore. Wonder why? I don't.

[Jen1981]

Originally Posted by in_newengland

This probably isn't even worth responding to but there are also plenty of places that won't allow people to hang their clothes on the clothesline anymore. It's nothing to do with the government. It's the neighbors.

Keep saying it but its not the neighbors, those POS control freaks in city hall don't live anywhere near the places and the people stalked by code enforcement to generate revenue.

neigh·bor
ˈnābər/
noun
noun: neighbour; plural noun: neighbours; noun: neighbor; plural noun: neighbors

1. a person living near or next door to the speaker or person referred to.
"our garden was the envy of the neighbors"

a person or place in relation to others near or next to it.
"I chatted with my neighbor on the flight to New York"
any person in need of one's help or kindness (after biblical use).
"love thy neighbor as thyself

verb 1. (a place or thing) be situated next to or very near (another).

None of the neighbors complained, the city control freak revenue stalkers spotted the garden and it went from there.

[Jen1981]

And sorry "in_newengland " but one of the problems here in Florida and the south in general is people from the north east come down here to escape high taxes and abusive regulations but never change there thinking and behavior and before long neighborhoods and cities start becoming the same high tax abusive regulation nightmares they came from.

Southerners are not still hurt over the civil war, they just don't want there towns and cities turning into nightmares like LINY where I came from. That's why so many don't like northerners.