Stadium Special Session Shot Down (Minneapolis, Blaine: high school, college, casino)

[golfgal]

Originally Posted by laxster

Well, yes, however, all of these are addressable through an expansion of the current facility. There is plenty of land around the area and concourses can be expanded, walls pushed outwards, and new bathrooms constructed.

BC Place in Canada was of nearly identical design of the Metrodome, and they renovated the facility to make it modern again and saved a lot of money.

I am completely against the idea of "disposable architecture" especially as all the Metrodome's perceived problems are addressable and the building is paid-off and structurally sound.

This still doesn't address the issues of parking, a place to tailgate, having nicer seating, the horrible acoustics, luxury suites, etc., etc., etc. If you expand the dome you also rework roads, lightrail tracks, etc.

[Ghengis]

Now that the Vikings have been asked to talk nice with Mpls., and Ramsey's sales tax was torpedoed, it seems likely that the playing field has been set-up once again for a Minnepolis location.

Minneapolis will need to commit their 13% entertainment tax of $21M/yr., currently going to the convention center (originally intended for the metrodome) once that is paid off in 2021 and the Vikings will likely be asked to pick up that dept service until then. No doubt Minneapolis will also be looking for a bailout of their basketball arena too. Glen Taylor doesn't seem to willing to participate in this to any degree however.

The state's $21M evidently could be financed by income tax realized through Vikings/NFL salaries even tho that seems to be a concept that rankles some principled citizens.

Little talk has emerged over any kind of expansion of gambling which really show the degree to which the tribes have got their hooks into the politicians.

[iNviNciBL3]

If we build the stadium in Downtown Minneapolis the Metrodome site is perfect for expanding, the Farmers market location is a complete joke.
Now if you look at this view of the site
Google Maps
We could turn the new stadium 90 degrees so one endzone is lined with 11th avenue and that will be plenty of enough room to work with.
This way we wont really have to spend extra money on fixing up roads
(like what we would have to do in Arden Hills or the Farmers Market site)
Plus the Downtown Minneapolis location is centrally located and easy access from the freeway

[xandrex]

Originally Posted by BobMarley_1LOVE

If we build the stadium in Downtown Minneapolis the Metrodome site is perfect for expanding, the Farmers market location is a complete joke.
Now if you look at this view of the site
Google Maps
We could turn the new stadium 90 degrees so one endzone is lined with 11th avenue and that will be plenty of enough room to work with.
This way we wont really have to spend extra money on fixing up roads
(like what we would have to do in Arden Hills or the Farmers Market site)
Plus the Downtown Minneapolis location is centrally located and easy access from the freeway

I think if they were to choose the Metrodome sight, you wouldn't be able to move around the field. When they released the renovated Metrodome plans, it was in the same location. In fact, much of the cost savings was being able to use the old Metrodome skeleton...switching it around would probably kill the plan.

[iNviNciBL3]

Originally Posted by xandrex

I think if they were to choose the Metrodome sight, you wouldn't be able to move around the field. When they released the renovated Metrodome plans, it was in the same location. In fact, much of the cost savings was being able to use the old Metrodome skeleton...switching it around would probably kill the plan.

I assume your talking about this plan?
Greet Machine - Somebody stop me
(half way down the page not the image on top)

Lol there are so many different plans its hard to me to keep up
http://www.savethevikes.org/wp-conte...ium2SQUARE.jpg
http://images.publicradio.org/conten...stadium_33.jpg
http://football.ballparks.com/NFL/Mi...s/newfront.jpg
http://www.theuptake.org/wp-content/...ium-photo2.jpg

[xandrex]

Originally Posted by BobMarley_1LOVE

I assume your talking about this plan?
Greet Machine - Somebody stop me
(half way down the page not the image on top)

Lol there are so many different plans its hard to me to keep up
http://www.savethevikes.org/wp-conte...ium2SQUARE.jpg
http://images.publicradio.org/conten...stadium_33.jpg
http://football.ballparks.com/NFL/Mi...s/newfront.jpg
http://www.theuptake.org/wp-content/...ium-photo2.jpg

I'm not quite sure which one is the official Minneapolis plan, but I'm pretty sure the Minneapolis site will only ever win support if it uses a cheaper plan that Arden Hills. This is probably only possible if they use the current shell of the Metrodome.

[Jericho79]

Hey everyone. I'm the OP of the following thead discussing the Arden Hills proposal:

//www.city-data.com/forum/minne...build-new.html

(I didn't realize there was already a thread dealing with this stadium issue.)

Is the Arden Hills site now off the table?

If the Vikings were to remain in downtown Minneapolis, wouldn't that mean the Vikings would have to settle for the TCF Bank Stadium for 3 years?

[xandrex]

Originally Posted by Jericho79

Hey everyone. I'm the OP of the following thead discussing the Arden Hills proposal:

//www.city-data.com/forum/minne...build-new.html

(I didn't realize there was already a thread dealing with this stadium issue.)

Is the Arden Hills site now off the table?

If the Vikings were to remain in downtown Minneapolis, wouldn't that mean the Vikings would have to settle for the TCF Bank Stadium for 3 years?

Assuming they did choose the Metrodome site (because they'd be able to play at the Dome if the Farmer's Market or Basilica sites were chosen), should we really call the Vikings having to play at TCF Bank Stadium "settling"? It's an amazing, brand new stadium in the city with seats for over 58,000 people. It has wide concourses, tons of bathrooms, and amazing suite areas. There's quite a bit of parking that has spots to tailgate (I'm not a tailgater, but I've been with family friends who have the grills, beer, and beanbag game out). Essentially, it's everything the Vikings want and need...except that they can't extort as much money out of it because it's owned by the University.

[Ghengis]

Last Friday, the city of Santa Clara (near San Jose) finalized the needed funding of a new facility. The $1.02 billion open-air stadium will be paid for by the city's $850 million loan from Goldman Sachs, BOA/Merrill Lynch & US Bank.

The city will own and operate the stadium and service the 25 yr loan through ticket sales, rent charged to the 49ers and naming rights revenue.

The rest of the money is expected to come from the NFL, a hotel tax and potential redevelopment funds from the city. The 49ers have agreed to pay approximately $30 million/year in rent and all cost overruns.

Santa Clara lines up financing for 49ers stadium (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/12/02/BAGJ1M7SO0.DTL - broken link)

[Jericho79]

Originally Posted by Ghengis

Last Friday, the city of Santa Clara (near San Jose) finalized the needed funding of a new facility. The $1.02 billion open-air stadium will be paid for by the city's $850 million loan from Goldman Sachs, BOA/Merrill Lynch & US Bank.

The city will own and operate the stadium and service the 25 yr loan through ticket sales, rent charged to the 49ers and naming rights revenue.

The rest of the money is expected to come from the NFL, a hotel tax and potential redevelopment funds from the city. The 49ers have agreed to pay approximately $30 million/year in rent and all cost overruns.

I suppose Minnesota won't be able to get that kind of financial break.