Where in Missouri does the South begin? (St. Louis, Joplin: bars, park)

[GunnerTHB]

Originally Posted by mike0421

Wow do I agree with your Ellington observation. I mentioned this in another thread once, and it involves another town on the Current and Jacks Fork, which is Eminence. I felt as though this town was distinctly southern, but by the time you reach Salem, 40 miles north, you feel as though you've made a complete transformation into the Midwest.

The one town that appears to be in the midwest, via the map, but feels southern to me, is Potosi, which is north of Ellington. I have no idea why this town specifically does not feel midwestern to me, but it doesn't.

I've never personally got the southern vibe from Potosi. It definitely feels like the the heart of the Ozarks though even though it is pretty far removed from much of what is considered to be the Ozarks. Although, the Baptist church in Potosi is specifically called "Potosi Southern Baptist Church". Of course that refers to the denomination but still.

[BackinBlue]

Originally Posted by GunnerTHB

I've never personally got the southern vibe from Potosi. It definitely feels like the the heart of the Ozarks though even though it is pretty far removed from much of what is considered to be the Ozarks. Although, the Baptist church in Potosi is specifically called "Potosi Southern Baptist Church". Of course that refers to the denomination but still.

Potosi isn't fully southern.

Potosi is in the transition zone of Midwest, and south like southern IL, and Southern IN, but with Ozarks flavor thrown in. Same as Farmington, Park Hills. Those are in the transition zones. It is strange how St. Gen county is totally different that St. Francois county even though they're next to each other.

[GunnerTHB]

Originally Posted by BackinBlue

Potosi isn't fully southern.

Potosi is in the transition zone of Midwest, and south like southern IL, and Southern IN, but with Ozarks flavor thrown in. Same as Farmington, Park Hills. Those are in the transition zones. It is strange how St. Gen county is totally different that St. Francois county even though they're next to each other.

It's pretty well midwestern as a whole.

[GunnerTHB]

Originally Posted by NaturalARMO

I totally agree with GunnerTHB's Missouri map. I think it is the most accurate one I've ever seen out of all in Missouri threads.

Thank you sir. I consider myself southern but I was born and raised about 10 miles north of that line, so I might be biased by setting the line at Cape instead of just south of it, but my experience tells me that Cape is a true cultural border city.

[kc chris]

Originally Posted by imbored198824

I am going to have to disagree with you. How many times have you been to northwest ark/southwest mo? I will tell you yes bentonville/rogers are less southern....but there are still many people from other parts of Arkansas that move into these places. The UofA is in Fayetteville, and kids that go there are GENERALLY from Arkansas, so that has a big influence on the Fayetteville area. Also as soon as you get out of the Fayetteville/Springdale/Rogers area, everything is completely southern. I invite you to visit places like Berryville,Arkansas(pronounced by locals as Burvul), Noel, Missouri or even Pea Ridge, Arkansas. All of these are fairly close to the nwa metro and very southern. Neosho, Missouri is in between Joplin and Bentonville, and is very southern as well. Btw hear is an example of a few different local kids from right outside the NWA metro area...I believe they are in Pea Ridge which is about 30 mins at most from the metro.

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Considerable time, I guess I've just never noticed it. Even that video I wouldn't consider southern, more midwestern with a hint of southern.

I've even been to all of those cities, even Berryville for some reason, a cavern maybe? It's in between the 71 corridor and Springfield/Branson though where I said things turn southern.

Somewhere between Rogers and Fayetteville is the line heading south I think.


...we're really nitpicking at this point.

[imbored198824]

Originally Posted by kc chris

Considerable time, I guess I've just never noticed it. Even that video I wouldn't consider southern, more midwestern with a hint of southern.

I've even been to all of those cities, even Berryville for some reason, a cavern maybe? It's in between the 71 corridor and Springfield/Branson though where I said things turn southern.

Somewhere between Rogers and Fayetteville is the line heading south I think.


...we're really nitpicking at this point.

Well I lived in Independence Missouri for one year, and now live back home in Branson. Those two cities are very different culturally as well as when it comes to climate and architecture. I don't think berryville has anything midwestern about it. I think you are confusing deep southern from upper southern with ozarks influence. They are completely different. Not every area in the south is the same. Not like it hasn't already been posted, but this is a fairly accurate map for our area, I believe http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...EnglishMap.jpg
Best GMC Dealer Berryville, AR | GMC Dealership Berryville, AR - YouTube yes people in Berryville have very midwestern accents...LOL. Here is what has happened. Many transplants have moved into Bentonville, Springdale, and to a lesser extent....Fayetteville. Just because that has happened doesn't mean you can cancel them out and say they are no longer southern. If that was the case we would say Atlanta is no longer a southern city....nashville too. All the towns that surround these cities are southern...it's a very strange dynamic.

[BackinBlue]

Originally Posted by GunnerTHB

Thank you sir. I consider myself southern but I was born and raised about 10 miles north of that line, so I might be biased by setting the line at Cape instead of just south of it, but my experience tells me that Cape is a true cultural border city.

Also with Cape you have to wonder how much the college has an impact since you have people from not only all over America, but all over the world coming to school. Like you were saying how rural Cape County is southern in some areas, and the smaller town Jackson to the north is more southern than Cape Girardeau is.

For eastern MO I see Cape being a good rough line to draw the dixie/southern line. South central MO is harder as it seems the dixie area spikes north a bit and some of the dialect maps show that spike too near to Lebanon, but then it dips south and ends south of Joplin even though Joplin is pretty far south in the state its still not fully southern as StLouisain will even agree.

Eastern MO it's easy to make the southern map because the transition is so sharp in Cape county compared to the Ozarks where it varies.

Florida perhaps is another hard state to draw a map for. I'd say even harder due to all the transplants and having to cookie cut everything due to a difference of just a few miles you have different cultures.

[Rubi3]

I thought it was the border with Arkansas.

[GunnerTHB]

Originally Posted by Rubi3

I thought it was the border with Arkansas.

For the most part, nope.

[imbored198824]

Originally Posted by Rubi3

I thought it was the border with Arkansas.

*sigh* cultural borders don't follow exactly along state lines, that not how it works.