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Old 08-25-2011, 04:45 PM
 
Location: Richardson, TX
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So can you say definitively that Hitler was wrong?


How about you? Was Hitler wrong? what would you base your opinion on?
Nine posts, excellent! And I bet you weren't even trying.

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Old 08-25-2011, 05:43 PM
 
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So can you say definitively that Hitler was wrong?






How about you? Was Hitler wrong? what would you base your opinion on?

yes, he was.
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Old 08-25-2011, 05:46 PM
 
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yes, he was.
Based on what? Society? Personal feelings?
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Old 08-25-2011, 06:14 PM
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Based on what? Society? Personal feelings?
The bases for human morality is humanities body/mind relationship with the external world (from the brains point of view). Therefore, it is based in our aversion and attractedness to certain human actions in relation to each other - this is what morality is - interpersonal action and how we catergorize them as good or bad for us and the group. These actions have an emotional sentiment attached to them because of their effect on us as an organism - not only individually but collectively since we are social beings.

Our neurology is set up according to this interaction with the external world and how it operates physically. Therefore, these actions are tied to casue and effect relationships, geometry, force, and identity of our seperatness from that world and others - this is the context of how our nervous system was organized not to mention it's genetic basis for it's basic structure. Our brain is a pattern detector and patterns that cause pain and suffering (violence and torture) and unwanted force (rape, theft, and slavery) are avoided by our species as well as other species.

It is easy to see how we would attribute wrongness and rightness to such actions as well as to see how such actions are practically universally avoided. Of course as a species not all individuals are normal and others that feel they may be able to get away with it will try or dehumanize those they wish to violate - this is why we have consenus on what we reason to be appropriate for individuals and the group.

Furthermore, even when others practice what they themselves would not want done to them they are a witness to themselves that the basic foundations of what humans need and want as well as avoid and are repulsed by are based in our physiology and mindset . The only 'ought' or 'should' is a circumstantial or conditional one based in our physical make-up that has been shaped by our relationship to the external world that our actions take place in.

Note; the basis is not just emotion or reason but it is deeper - it is subconsciously tied to our neurology upon which these other work. This is why you find certain actions morally repungnant and ubiquitous across cultures - it is not merely a social convention.
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Old 08-25-2011, 06:18 PM
 
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Based on what? Society? Personal feelings?

like i told u in my initial post, based on what majority of humanity feels when a fellow human commits a murder, like hitler did.
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Old 08-26-2011, 08:16 AM
 
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like i told u in my initial post, based on what majority of humanity feels when a fellow human commits a murder, like hitler did.
So, as most of the rest have suggested...you really have no way to tell me something is right/wrong. We are all products of natural processes and we just evolved this way?

You say that society determines it...but there is no innate morality within the person.
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Old 08-26-2011, 08:29 AM
 
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Is morality absolute?

One has absolutely nothing whatosever at all to do with the other. Evolution is already understood to have promoted altruism and cooperation in some species, including us, but that's not the same thing as morality, which is an entirely subjective concept.

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Is there such a thing as absolute morality if we just evolved to believe a certain way?
Not for actual humans. Have you been subjected to a gom jabbar test?
I'm guessing not, or we wouldn't be having this conversation because you'd be dead.

There are no absolutes outside of mathematics.

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Can you say that anything I believe in is right or wrong?
Mostly it's lrrelevant.
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Old 08-26-2011, 08:33 AM
 
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"There is nothing either good or bad, but thinking makes it so." - Hamlet; Act II, Scene II.
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Old 08-26-2011, 09:22 AM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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So can you say definitively that Hitler was wrong?
About what? Let us be more specific with such questions.
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Old 08-26-2011, 09:36 AM
 
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About what? Let us be more specific with such questions.
genocide?
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