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Well, haven't played a video game since 'Asteroids' originally came out, and have never been to an Al-Anon meeting (to deal with drunk relatives, as I have none.).
'splain to me Lucy, how my 'behavior' is errant.
Though I would be bitter too, if I lived in a town in NH starting with the letter 'F'.
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You "think" Jefferson is rolling over in his grave. Since you didn't know him, I don't care what you think he is doing. Perhaps Thomas Jefferson is rolling over in his grave embracing his slave girl lover? Once again, romanticizing a view of the Founding Fathers is dangerous. Some of you are glad to embrace delusion.
As for your assessment of the income tax - what does the income tax have to do with bondage? You used it as opposition to my thought that we are neither a "police state" nor any less free than we've ever been. I don't consider taxes bondage - neither did George Washington when he leveled violent protesters in the Whiskey Rebellion. Once again, go read a history book. The income tax was initially considered after the War of 1812 as a war tax. In fact, the income tax reached a peak of 91% for the upper bracket in the middle of the 20th century. 91%! Guess why? Because they had this thing called a "war tax". It allowed the government to easily pay off war debts and also discouraged war profiteering. The rich no longer had an incentive to start wars to make money because they were taking the brunt of paying for it. Were people crying? No, they felt an obligation to the corporate welfare of the nation.
Many 'free-staters' are the equivalent of selfish, self-righteous deluded individuals. Truly sad. Some of them need to focus on an education - it's too bad though that they view public education - and education in general, as 'police state' Communist mind-control. Loonies.
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@michael, I'm not sure too many people would agree with you that America is the freest that it's ever been. Congress has eroded so many of our civil liberties under the auspices of the war on terror, war on drugs, war on crime, and just about every other social engineering experiment that the politicos have embarked upon in recent years.
Same as it ever was.
225 years ago, every black person who hadn't bought their freedom was property. Women couldn't vote or own property. Native Americans were rounded up and forced out of their lands. George Washington sent the national army to fight American citizens over taxes.
150 years ago, Lincoln suspended Habeas Corpus. Governments were so corrupt you could go out on a city street and see politicians and public officials getting bribed before your eyes. Smuggling occurred in very large numbers along the coasts.
More romanticism. If people want to continue to argue that we are relatively less free now than we were then...bring it. It's called "warped perception". Your perception as a white man living in 2012 distorts your ability to see perspective. Your ignorance to history distorts your ability to see historical context.
An egotistical view that everyone is out to get you is laughable and dangerous at the same time.
You "think" Jefferson is rolling over in his grave. Since you didn't know him, I don't care what you think he is doing.
Then we are on the same page, as I don't care about your opinion in any way, shape or form.
Perhaps Thomas Jefferson is rolling over in his grave embracing his slave girl lover?
No slams here, as I just state reality. And there is a problem with that? It just isn't legal to have one today. But getting a far-easterner that essentially does the same is as easy as falling off a log. Ask me about it.
Once again, romanticizing a view of the Founding Fathers is dangerous. Some of you are glad to embrace delusion.
Me thinks I am more of a realist than you give me credit for.
As for your assessment of the income tax - what does the income tax have to do with bondage?
We are slaves to the state and Federal government as we are forced to pay for things we don't necessarily want to. If you like, I can spell it out in mono-syllabic words so you may comprehend.
You used it as opposition to my thought that we are neither a "police state" nor any less free than we've ever been. I don't consider taxes bondage - neither did George Washington when he leveled violent protesters in the Whiskey Rebellion. Once again, go read a history book.
Taxes are bondage when we are forced to pay for things that we disagree with. Just like a pimp and her 'ho.
I read constantly, every day. I am fortunate.
The income tax was initially considered after the War of 1812 as a war tax. In fact, the income tax reached a peak of 91% for the upper bracket in the middle of the 20th century. 91%! Guess why? Because they had this thing called a "war tax". It allowed the government to easily pay off war debts and also discouraged war profiteering. The rich no longer had an incentive to start wars to make money because they were taking the brunt of paying for it.
That is a topic for a whole other thread. We wouldn't be paying for all this quote "war tax", if we just were smart enough to use what Edward Teller invented.
You brought forth zero information with your last comment. I will accept that as a concession. Repeating "I am a realist...I am a realist..." over and over does nothing but make the person you are talking to think you need to start re-evaluating your position. A weak position, at that. You have brought no reality. You would have been one of the guys in the early republic moaning about whiskey taxes - and Washington would have sent an army on your house to slap you back into place. Washington was about unity, not selfish division. Luckily, we had strong central figures to rope the dopes in the past.
Also, that 'war tax' in the 50's was for the most important war in modern history. Surely you wouldn't have sat on the sidelines for that one - since there were actually real, legitimate Marxists and tyranny in those. Seems to be you struggle with attributing perspective properly past your very short senses. One hand of yours is raised in objection to battling wars against tyranny and the other is paddling your mouth in a war cry against exaggerated oppressions domestically. I do appreciate you though - youre delusion levels out the delusion of the radicals on the opposite side. I'd rather sit in the middle and rationally think out situations; ignorance is bondage - not taxes.
You brought forth zero information with your last comment. I will accept that as a concession.
A concession wasn't offered.
Repeating "I am a realist...I am a realist..." over and over does nothing but make the person you are talking to think you need to start re-evaluating your position.
You are correct.. I need to figure out how I can dumb it down enough for simpleton thought processes... May take a little time, as I haven't dealt with one in a while.
A weak position, at that. You have brought no reality. You would have been one of the guys in the early republic moaning about whiskey taxes - and Washington would have sent an army on your house to slap you back into place. Washington was about unity, not selfish division. Luckily, we had strong central figures to rope the dopes in the past.
You apparently didn't read my last for posts (or have the ability to interpret them).
Also, that 'war tax' in the 50's was for the most important war in modern history. Surely you wouldn't have sat on the sidelines for that one - since there were actually real, legitimate Marxists and tyranny in those. Seems to be you struggle with attributing perspective properly past your very short senses. One hand of yours is raised in objection to battling wars against tyranny and the other is paddling your mouth in a war cry against exaggerated oppressions domestically. I do appreciate you though - youre delusion levels out the delusion of the radicals on the opposite side. I'd rather sit in the middle and rationally think out situations; ignorance is bondage - not taxes.
We could have ended it in very short order. Go back an read my other posts (with a reading comprehension specialist dictating it to you). Also, go read about Edward Teller.
Posting stuff like this is a waste of time. Come on down to the Media Lab in Cambridge MA, and have some conversations that are at least moderately interesting (well, you can talk to the freshmen and street people, as that will keep them amused). I have valid things to do. Getting useless information from a 25 yo in Augusta ME is wasting my time, especially if they play the bass.
Posting stuff like this is a waste of time. Come on down to the Media Lab in Cambridge MA, and have some conversations that are at least moderately interesting (well, you can talk to the freshmen and street people, as that will keep them amused). I have valid things to do. Getting useless information from a 25 yo in Augusta ME is wasting my time, especially if they play the bass.
haha...nothing like stalking people online. Are you going to actually post purposeful information, or just pretend like any of that information matters?
Some of you are truly mind-boggling. Delusional. A true joke. I suppose you should move along, you are serving no purpose here. Come back when you want to learn or bring something to teach. Maybe you should study history more? I think so. Bye bye!
That is demanded of citizenship. Admittedly, some do go overboard, and a few--like some Keeniacs--can be downright irritating. Is a cop really wrong if he arrests someone who follows him around arguing small stuff? He would be wrong to seek out peaceful people and arrest them for something trivial.
I frequently encounter parents who've had their children taken from them, farmers who've lost their land due to environmental enforcement, and pot smokers who've been incarcerated for possession of small quantities of marijuana. Most of us know taxpayers who've been unfairly targeted by the IRS or women who've been sexually harassed or assaulted by police officers or other bureaucrats. Abuse of power ranges from denial of driver's license renewal to false imprisonment and excessive force.
I am not arguing about each person's definition of a "police state." I am not demanding of others "proof" of routine abuse. I am not demanding multiple youtube videos all taken within the last month showing one specific judge, prosecutor, tax collector, or police department regularly abusing their power. Those who do rarely stand up in defense of our constitutional rights. Those who do are seen as disregarding their civic duty to defend the rights of everyone our military vets have fought and served for.
When the liberty of 309 million people is at stake, that standards for new laws, bureaucracy, and prosecution must be higher.
Are the freestaters going about it the right way? Some are, and some aren't. Still, most of us are stepping forward and sticking our necks out to protect those constitutional rights when we see them under threat.
if you don’t want a libertarian NH government just move to Mass, Vermont or Maine- you have lots of close options. Why are some of you so opposed to personal liberty? Also, there are many forms of Free Staters, you can't lump us all together.
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or bring something to teach. Maybe you should study history more? I think so. Bye bye!
