Trump: 'Serious Voter Fraud' in NH general election (Hanover, Plymouth: renters, home)
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I looked up the voting laws while commenting in a previous thread and could not believe that it was legal. NH is not the only state that allows this either, by far. What a shame...
Back when I was in College (NJ Res, College in PA) the local township where the College was making a bunch of ordinances that were aim'ed at and very annoying to the college students.
A OnCampus Voter Registration drive was done (I believe you had to register 30 days in advance), Something like 5000 of 8000 OnCampus Students were registered. The whole township (outside of the college) only had ~4000 total. Township council, had 5 seats, two were up for election, One Vacant seat was also up. Three college students filed for those seats.
When the Township saw what was happening, they did thing "Voter Suppression" things. The polling location that for years had been in the lobby of the cafeteria, was moved as far away from the Dorms as possible. Didn't work, Huge Voter turn out, County had to bring in two additional "Emergency" voting machines. Township was in shock when the the Council turned from town'ie run to college student run with 3 of the 5 seats held by students. Those annoying ordinances, weird parking zones & fines... All gone.. So College students can effect things.. And this was before Facebook, Email, All by word of mouth, posters ....
Does NH have any plans to change that? Nothing like a bunch of out of state teenagers swinging the elections that are close every year.
Only if the AG of NH wants to challenge the 1979 Supreme Court decision in Symm vs. US upholding a lower court decision that discrimination against college students trying to vote in their college communities is a violation of the 26th Amendment of the Constitution.
I looked up the voting laws while commenting in a previous thread and could not believe that it was legal. NH is not the only state that allows this either, by far. What a shame...
Only if the AG of NH wants to challenge the 1979 Supreme Court decision in Symm vs. US upholding a lower court decision that discrimination against college students trying to vote in their college communities is a violation of the 26th Amendment of the Constitution.
Only if the laws can be proven to be targeted against college students.
We can join the two interstate compacts, allowing the state to detect students who are registered both at home and at school, and we can purge these duplicates from the checklist.
We can require reasonable proof of residency.
NH can mandate that to register to vote in New Hampshire, you must have a New Hampshire driver's license or a New Hampshire state non-driver ID card (costs ten bucks, cheap!). This would also mean driver students who "live" here must register their cars here, get NH plates.
We could also strongly encourage students to vote in their home state, and pressure the Federal government to use the IRS's control over their parents "Dependent student" deduction to make voting where you go to school instead of where you "live" an expensive proposition.
Only if the laws can be proven to be targeted against college students.
We can join the two interstate compacts, allowing the state to detect students who are registered both at home and at school, and we can purge these duplicates from the checklist.
We can require reasonable proof of residency.
NH can mandate that to register to vote in New Hampshire, you must have a New Hampshire driver's license or a New Hampshire state non-driver ID card (costs ten bucks, cheap!). This would also mean driver students who "live" here must register their cars here, get NH plates.
We could also strongly encourage students to vote in their home state, and pressure the Federal government to use the IRS's control over their parents "Dependent student" deduction to make voting where you go to school instead of where you "live" an expensive proposition.
Everything you listed there imposes an undue burden on the voter which was the basis of the court decision. The student has to decide where to declare a domicile for voting. If a student decides to vote at school, the state cannot force them to do any of those things or financially penalize them or their parents. All a student needs to register to vote is a license or state issued ID and their valid student ID.
Domiciled means you stayed there before and you have the intent to live there in the future and in reality, they don’t
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Originally Posted by robr2
Everything you listed there imposes an undue burden on the voter which was the basis of the court decision. The student has to decide where to declare a domicile for voting. If a student decides to vote at school, the state cannot force them to do any of those things or financially penalize them or their parents. All a student needs to register to vote is a license or state issued ID and their valid student ID.
The interstate voter accuracy compacts do not impose an undue burden on the voter. Charging voters who cast votes in two states for the federal election with a federal felony does not impose an undue burden on non-fraudulent voters.
30-day registration/Residency requirements is common, 14 states require 30 days residency before registering as a voter, an additional 16 states close registration between 21-30 days before the election. US Supreme Court has accepted 30 days as an ample period for before voting in state and local elections.
The state of New Hampshire can't financially penalize them or their parents, but the US government could tie claiming adult students as dependents to the student's choice of domicile. It's unreasonable to say that a 9-month "temporary absence" doesn't remove your domicile from your parent's home, but 1-day temporary presence in New Hampshire is sufficient to claim domicile here.
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Originally Posted by BostonHerald
Former Massachusetts Senator Scott Brown echoed Donald Trump’s concern over fraudulent voting in New Hampshire, citing the prevalance of college students in the region.“People from Massachusetts could have gone up and voted that day and quite frankly some do,” Brown said on Boston Herald Radio's "Morning Meeting." “It’s well known, it’s no secret.”
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Brown said that thousands vote in New Hampshire by walking into a polling place without an ID and unregistered, claiming domicile, which allows for them to fill out an affidavit that allows them to vote.
“Domiciled means you stayed there before and you have the intent to live there in the future and in reality, they don’t,”
The interstate voter accuracy compacts do not impose an undue burden on the voter. Charging voters who cast votes in two states for the federal election with a federal felony does not impose an undue burden on non-fraudulent voters.
30-day registration/Residency requirements is common, 14 states require 30 days residency before registering as a voter, an additional 16 states close registration between 21-30 days before the election. US Supreme Court has accepted 30 days as an ample period for before voting in state and local elections.
The state of New Hampshire can't financially penalize them or their parents, but the US government could tie claiming adult students as dependents to the student's choice of domicile. It's unreasonable to say that a 9-month "temporary absence" doesn't remove your domicile from your parent's home, but 1-day temporary presence in New Hampshire is sufficient to claim domicile here.
The Crosscheck System is so bad that in 2014 it flagged 7 million potential duplicates and found only 4 actual cases of dual registration/voting. It is supposed to capture middle name, suffixes, DOB, and last 4 digits of the SS number, yet an audit showed that a quarter of the list lacked middle name, ignored suffixes, and didn't show the SS info. If your name is Jose or Joseph Garcia, you would show up as a potential "double voter" in 27 states. The ERIC system is more effective but costly to join, implement, and run and requires states to reach out to eligible but unregistered voters. I'd be fine with the use of the latter.
As for the 30 days, sure. Most students move into the state in August and September and could easily register in time to vote in the November elections.
As for penalizing parents, remember it cuts both way. More than 51% of New Hampshire students go to college outside of the state - 5th highest in the country. Those families could easily be impacted just as harshly.
IMHO, the potential for voter fraud by students voting in two places is so small that preventing them from voting where they spend a majority of their time isn't worth the effort. There aren't enough of them to sway the outcome.
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Domiciled means you stayed there before and you have the intent to live there in the future and in reality, they don’t
